Looking for a BURROWS birth and death

[meggiemoo3]

Hello

I'm wondering if anyone can help with my search? At the moment the 1911 census is free to view on Ancestry (our membership having run out and hubby currently deciding whether to renew now or what until he gets back from the Falklands!). Last night I searched the census for my paternal grandmother to check that I had the correct great grandparents in 1901 - which I had.

Anyway whilst looking at the details on the census I noticed that there had been another child - it said 2 live births; 1 child living (my grandma) and 1 chlld no longer living - this is all news to me and to my dad. Now from the census returns of 1901 and 1911 I know that this child must have been born and died between these 2 dates. There are no children showing on the 1901 census and in the 1891 census Freddy and Sarah were still with their parents (and no children to either of them).

I have done a search on Family Search for a death of a Burrows between these dates but has thrown nothing up. Can anyone help me or point me in the direction of where to look next bearing in mind I no longer have an Ancestry membership?

The details I can give are - Freddy Burrows ( spelling of Burrows is sometimes bizarre) father; Mother Sarah Burrows. They are living in Little London, Long Sutton in both 1901 and 1911. My grandma is Ivy May (although its interpreted as Iry on the 1911 Census) - I have her birth certificate and she was born 1903, registration district Long Sutton. I have no idea whether this child was male or female.

Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give me.

Melanie

[Isobelruss]

Why is Sarah called Ann on the last census?

shes down as Mrs Burrows and someone has written Ann just under her name,wonder if that was the dead child.I have a census with all the dead children listed as well as the living.

[Isobelruss]

Theres a Gladys Ruby born Holbeach reg district 1905 shes still alive and a Doris May 1908 with same family alive an Edward 1908 still alive that leaves a William and James born 1909 unaccounted for there are deaths for both 1909 so one of them is possibly the missing child

[Geoff-E]

Now from the census returns of 1901 and 1911 I know that this child must have been born and died between these 2 dates.

I'm not sure how you can make that deduction from the censuses alone.

There was this one
Births Sep 1899   
BURROWS    Elizabeth Ellen         Holbeach    7a   406   
Deaths Sep 1899 
BURROWS    Elizabeth Ellen    0    Holbeach    7a   263

Note:
The William and James (1909) were twins and both died in Q1 1909, so could not be the single child that had died.

[meggiemoo3]

Yeah we noticed that and from previous census returns (just found my book of notes) and a record of her birth, Sarah's middle name was Ann which would explain why Ann is written near her name.

I've done a basic search on FindMyPast and have discovered 6 births with a surname of Burrows during this time in the registration district of Holbeach...

Ivy May 1903 - my grandma,
Gladys Ruby 1905
Edward Lawrence 1908
Doris May 1908 ..... think these are possibly twins
James 1909
William 1909 ..... once again think these are twins

I then did a search for deaths during the same period and came up with

James 1909 and William 1909 - which I now think confirms these are twins.

I'm now wondering if these could be the children in question. It says on the census that 2 children were born alive. However twins run in my family, Ivy herself had 2 sets of twins. My aunt had twins; I have twins and my cousin had twins also. I wonder if one was born stillborn (which would not be registered on the census because it says live births) and the other perhaps died few hours/days later?

These are the only children with surname Burrows with a birth and a death between those particular dates.

Does anyone know if there is anyway I can find out who the parents of these children were other than ordering the birth certificates?

Melanie

[meggiemoo3]

Now from the census returns of 1901 and 1911 I know that this child must have been born and died between these 2 dates.

I'm not sure how you can make that deduction from the censuses alone.

There was this one
Births Sep 1899   
BURROWS    Elizabeth Ellen         Holbeach    7a   406   
Deaths Sep 1899 
BURROWS    Elizabeth Ellen    0    Holbeach    7a   263

Note:
The William and James (1909) were twins and both died in Q1 1909, so could not be the single child that had died.

Oh now there's another possibility... hadn't even considered looking prior to 1901 - just assumed that my grandma was the oldest child - whoops. Seeing that Freddy and Sarah had been married for 14 years in 1911, thats means they must have married in 1897, so a first child in 1898 seems much more logical than a first child in 1903.

I'm still not ruling ot William and James though as they could have either both been stillborn or one alive one stillborn so wouldn't have been recorded as such on the census.

Thanks - need to try and delve more now.

[Isobelruss]

Edward and Doris are with separate families in 1911 so they werent twins.I didnt look at earlier births  but think Geoff could have the right one there.

[Geoff-E]

I'm still not ruling ot William and James though as they could have either both been stillborn or one alive one stillborn so wouldn't have been recorded as such on the census.

Stillbirths were not registered in those days. 

[meggiemoo3]

can rule out those 2 being possible children of Sarah and Freddy then.

Isobelruff has provided me with a burial of Elizabeth that fits in with all I know about Freddy and Sarah and where they lived. As there seem to be no other Burrows living in Long Sutton (most of Freddy's family apart from 1 brother at this time were still in Banham in Norfolk and his other brother lived in Sutton Bridge) it seems too much of a coincedence for Elizabeth to be anything other than Sarah and Freddy's daughter.

Just need to see if there is a baptism record, which at the moment there doesn't seem to be online. Guess its probably parish registers then.

Thanks for all your help in hopefully solving this puzzle for me.