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Re: Molong NSW - pioneer register???
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 11 September 12 12:09 BST (UK) »
Hi JM and Neil.
Thanks for the little-river landcare link. Will have a closer look at it.
No - I am not sure that the property in my family's name was Lesleigh. Their is a website which shows properties around the Molong area in 1893 (from memory) and it lists a Joseph Atkinson as the owner of 'Lesleigh'. Wether this is my Joseph Atkinson or another is yet to be ascertained. I know that there was another Atkinson family in the Molong area to make things more confusing.

Where did you get the NSW ER (electoral roll??) for 1878 - is it from an online source? Could be mine, but he was in Wellington NSW by 1877. My Joseph was in Orange between 1866 and 1868 - he had two children there and was married there. The reference to Molong is from two of his children's births. The family started out at Hartley, moved to Orange, moved to Molong, then moved to Wellington.

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Re: Molong NSW - pioneer register???
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 11 September 12 13:49 BST (UK) »
Where did you get the NSW ER (electoral roll??) for 1878 - is it from an online source?

No, Katharine,  I am not using an online source for NSW ERs for that era.   Please see my reply to another RChatter's current thread about NSW ERs as it is relevant to your question.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,614012.0.html


PS, Thanks Merlin for the link to the earlier thread about Joseph Atkinson.    Katharine, did you take that trip out to Wellington that you mention at reply #11 on that linked earlier thread ?  If so, what info did you glean?

Cheers,  JM
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Re: Molong NSW - pioneer register???
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 11 September 12 22:24 BST (UK) »
Thanks JM.
I had a read of that link. In the meantime I have rediscovered that the John Atkinson living in Orange was a baker in Anson St. and as far as I know is not one of my lot.
No- haven't done the Wellington trip yet. A relative has the society doing some research, so I will wait and see what they give them first.
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Re: Molong NSW - pioneer register???
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 12 September 12 01:03 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

I am not sure why you are seeking 1870s information about a Joseph ATKINSON in the Molong district when from the NSW BDM online indexes it seems the family moved around through a number of districts, and Molong was not where they seemed to have stopped for long at all, children were born in other districts as well.    Do you have the birth cert for the youngest NSW born child to the couple?  It should give you detailed info about all the older children and about their parents.   

I can see that the linked site from Ros ( http://www.users.on.net/~quincejam/mhsres.html ) does show that there was a property named Lesleigh, at Molong and that in 1893 it was the residence of a Mr Joseph ATKINSON.   It is possible that "Lesleigh" is referring to the name of the home rather than the name of a farm.  It is possible that that particular Mr Joseph ATKINSON was new to Molong in the 1890s, afterall early 1870s to 1890s is a generational gap.     

Are you trying to establish the parentage of your Joseph Atkinson and/or his wife?    Were they married in NSW?  Is it likely that the NSW BDM's copy of their marriage does NOT give you the details about the parentage of the bride and/or groom?  And thus is it possible that there's an apparent brickwall delaying your searchings?   I hope the following thread  will help you seek info about the Joseph ATKINSON at Molong in 1893 and thus help separate the various ATKINSON families in those districts at that time.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html

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Re: Molong NSW - pioneer register???
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 12 September 12 02:19 BST (UK) »
Hi JM. Thanks for your link to overcoming brickwalls. I have already sent an email to Orange in regard to the registers. I am still awaiting a reply from the church.
A relative has a copy of the youngest childs birth certificate - I am yet to get a copy off him.

I realise that it is a large gap - 1870s to 1890s.

I have the parents of my Joseph - he was born in England. I don't have his wife's parents, so if Orange have the registers then that could well be a bonus.


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Re: Molong NSW - pioneer register???
« Reply #14 on: Friday 14 September 12 13:54 BST (UK) »
For anyone reading these posts:

One of Joseph's children's birth registrations shows him as a shepherd at Menangle, Ullundry (should be Yullundry). This is just north of Molong, and is not too far from where Joseph took up his own land holding.
I presume Menangle is a property name.

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Re: Molong NSW - pioneer register???
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 19 September 12 08:08 BST (UK) »

I am not sure why you are seeking 1870s information about a Joseph ATKINSON in the Molong district when from the NSW BDM online indexes it seems the family moved around through a number of districts, and Molong was not where they seemed to have stopped for long at all, children were born in other districts as well. 

No offence majm - but I would like to comment that places mentioned on the BDM Indexes are where the birth or death was REGISTERED, not necessarily where it happened, especially if they were on a property.

Therefore, it is possible that the family was living in the Molong district for some time, and some children were registered at Orange, some at Molong and some at Wellington, without the family actually moving.

Registrations at Molong covered an area between Eugowra up to the other side of Molong towards Wellington.   Also, Wellington covered the area back towards Parkes.  Orange may have been the biggest town at the time and therefore where the "big shop" was done and the registration done at the same time.

Who knows?

For instance, my family lived about halfway between Forbes and Condobolin -  some registrations were done at Forbes, one death was registered at Condobolin, another at West Wyalong and a marriage was registered at Grenfell (presumably where the officiating minister came from or went through).  The family never moved.

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Re: Molong NSW - pioneer register???
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 19 September 12 10:45 BST (UK) »

I am not sure why you are seeking 1870s information about a Joseph ATKINSON in the Molong district when from the NSW BDM online indexes it seems the family moved around through a number of districts, and Molong was not where they seemed to have stopped for long at all, children were born in other districts as well. 

No offence majm - but I would like to comment that places mentioned on the BDM Indexes are where the birth or death was REGISTERED, not necessarily where it happened, especially if they were on a property.

Therefore, it is possible that the family was living in the Molong district for some time, and some children were registered at Orange, some at Molong and some at Wellington, without the family actually moving.

Registrations at Molong covered an area between Eugowra up to the other side of Molong towards Wellington.   Also, Wellington covered the area back towards Parkes.  Orange may have been the biggest town at the time and therefore where the "big shop" was done and the registration done at the same time.

Who knows?

For instance, my family lived about halfway between Forbes and Condobolin -  some registrations were done at Forbes, one death was registered at Condobolin, another at West Wyalong and a marriage was registered at Grenfell (presumably where the officiating minister came from or went through).  The family never moved.

Jean

Hi there Jean,

No offence taken at all, and it has prompted me to look further for Katharine75, despite her question being quite specifically about Molong Pioneer Register in the early 1870s. 

I hope this will help her along, as I too am quite familar with that region of NSW, its settlements, and I have quite a few offline resources covering from as early as 1820s.   Molong was, at one time quite a large settlement, with its own court house and with little need for persons to do their 'big shop' anywhere other than Molong. On the other hand if the road from Tambaroora to Molong was not passable (Molong can flood) then perhaps they did their 'big shop' in Wellington rather than wait for the travelling agents to come to them.      As I understand it, Court Houses in the 1870s were a usual place to find a deputy registrar for BDMs, Lands, etc, usually as a part time position as part of the sherrif's duties.  Jean, I have understood that in the 1870s births were registered by family members attending the most convenient court house to them, marriages registered by the officiating minister via submitting a SUMMARY to the nearest court house convenient to them, and deaths by the funeral director burying the deceased and registering the death at the nearest court house convenient to them.  Perhaps that explains why some of your forebears registrations occurred at those different locations. 

Grevilles PO Directory 1872
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hcastle/grevilles/lists/abc.html
MOLONG does NOT list anyone with the surname ATKINSON
IRONBARKS does NOT list anyone with the surname ATKINSON
TAMBAROORA lists one “ATKINSON Joseph     gardener     Dirt Hole Rd” no others with that surname.

From my own resources (ie not online)

Grevilles PO Directory 1875
MOLONG does NOT list anyone with the surname ATKINSON
IRONBARKS does NOT list anyone with the surname ATKINSON
TAMBAROORA  lists ONE “Atkinson, J., gardener, Dirthole rd” no others with that surname.
 

I have not checked my hardcopy of various 1870s NSW electoral rolls, as I am pressed for time at the moment.   In the 1870s Tambaroora to Eugowra would have been a long journey over bullock dray tracks, perhaps 120 or more miles.  My Eugowra forebears from that era were usually registered at the Forbes Court House, and the Forbes Police District stretched almost to Dubbo.  On the other hand, from memory I feel that Tambaroora would most likely be part of the then Wellington Electorate, which covered much of the Molong Police District as well as much of the Wellington PD.  Tambaroora in the early 1870s perhaps had quite a number of miners, and they would have been eligible to enrol by virtue of their miner's rights.  Perhaps there's a Joseph Atkinson who had held a miner's right at one time.  Fingers crossed that will help with searches.

Cheers,

JM  PS, yes, I did check HILL END too in my 1875 Grevilles PO dir and NONE surnamed Atkinson there.


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Re: Molong NSW - pioneer register???
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 19 September 12 12:09 BST (UK) »
Thanks for replies. It would seem that up until 1868 the family might have been closer to Orange than Molong or Wellington perhaps. In any case by 1871 the family were living at Yullundry, and Joseph was working on a property there. Then I have found his land which is located halfway between Yeoval and Wellington. This shows:
Conditional Purchase in 1875
Additional Conditional Purchases in 1875, 1882, 1883, and 1885.
This land is not too far from Yullundry as the crow flies.
According to his obituary in the newspaper he stayed on this purchased land until he sold up and moved into Wellington itself. He died in 1906.