Elizabeth Walker nee Crawley?

[sarcy]

I am trying to confirm the maiden name of Elizabeth bn 1872 in hertfordshire who married Frederick George Walker bn 1869 hertfordshire and having searched through marriage records i cant find their marriage anywhere.  My grandmother believes her maiden name was Crawley, i have found the probate records which reads as follows 'Walker Elizabeth Louisa Stapleton otherwise Elizabeth Louisa of austin villas charles-stree hemel hempstead...'this also names her son so i know it is definately her.
i am slightly confused as to the Stapleton in her name, but i have looked for this as her maiden name and found nothing also, and my gran seems quite sure it was Crawley.
The only reference to any marriage i found was on familysearch, im not entirely sure where this information comes from but states that Elizabeth Louisa Crawley married Frederick George Walker on 8 mar 1891 in Apsley end, Hertford, which is about the right time as they had their first child in 1893 and the 1911 census says they had been married 20yrs.
i have managed to find an Elizabeth Crawley and most of her family, but i need to see in black and white that it was her that married Frederick before i can fill in the gaps.

i would be really greatful for any help and advice on this, im rather stumped!

many thanks

Sarah

[CaroleW]

Do you have a copy of a childs birth cert which will give you her maiden name?

[sarcy]

No i dont actually, i suppose that would answer it, just the cost involved in getting the certificates puts me off a bit and ive managed to solve so much of it all using the online resources so far.
I will have to speak to my gran incase she happens to have her fathers birth certificate, although i suspect its unlikely.
I also wonder why i can find no trace of their marriage, even having searched with his name, can records be missing?
many thanks for your reply

Sarah

[keyboard86]

Hi Sarah, I believe the reason you cannot locate a birth for Elizabeth Crawley (via your PM) is perhaps this birth:

Elizabeth Louisa Gravestock June 1871 Hemel Hempstead 3a 396

Marriage Walter Crawley to Louisa Gravestock June 1871 Hemel Hempstead 3a 549

Keyboard86

[sarcy]

That is really useful information, i have now found their marriage under Elizabeth Louise Gravestock and Frederick George Stapleton, this would explain the reference to stapleton in her probate record, as it was Frederick mothers maiden name and he was born 3 yrs before she married Charles Walker.
Makes me wonder if Frederick was not Charles son? what are the chances of them having a child 3 years before getting married, i did wonder if Mary Ann was infact married previously to a Stapleton but i can find no definate record of a marriage to a Stapleton and his subsequent death, so i suppose the alternative is he was illigitimate and took her name. If he was Charles son but they were not married would it be common place to have his mother name and not his fathers?

The same goes for Elizabeth really as her birth was registered as Gravestock, her mothers maiden name. Although they were married in the same month she was born, so what would be the likelyhood of her having her mothers name and not her fathers? is this normal?

thankyou in advance for any help recieved.

sarah

[[Ray]]

Hi

(In case you haven't spotted / don't have the detail, the following maybe of use)

You mention you have 1911 [Apsley] . . . . .

William works for the paper mills
[at Apsley aka the same brand Croxley Script/Bond]
Elizabeth's sister Emily Kate Crawley married William Baldwin
[HemelHempstead 1896 Sep 3a 1074]
Hilda/Wm born "Kentish Town"
[FW/EW moved St Pancras upon getting married]

Open Question?
FW is a "Foundry" worker in these returns, did Apsley/Croxley mills need a foundry?


Ray

[[Ray]]

Frederick George Stapleton 1868 Sep HemelH 3a 385

[sarcy]

thankyou for the information, i have found his birth in 1868, what i am trying to establish now is who his father was.  As far as we were aware Charles Walker was his father, but it would appear that he did not marry Mary Ann Stapleton untill 3 yrs after Frederick was born.


Sarah

[[Ray]]

Hi

Let's take a step back?

You originally said "he" was born 1869, you now say you found his birth in 1868?
Would you confirm what you now have/accept?

"It would appear" the marriage took place 3 years later?
Would you confirm the detail (reference)?

Take care, there are a number of simlarly-named Crawley familes around that part of Herts.

Which line does your grandmother follow? From Hilda or William?

Cheers

Ray