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« on: Tuesday 16 October 12 12:41 BST (UK) »
on the 1910 census have found James gillgrann/gillgrass  57 yrs old with him is daughter  lilie 17 yrs old . but it says she was born in Italy . and that she was Italian .   the census was for Missouri  Macon  bevier ward 4 dist 0069. can any one sort this out. he was my grt grt grandfather  went to usa 1872
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Re: lilie gillgran
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 16 October 12 13:20 BST (UK) »
That's an odd one. I would have suspected an error of some sort but I noticed on the 1900 census that James and his wife (Elizabeth) are listed as having had no children-even though Lil* is with them. Perhaps some sort of informal adoption?

Have you ever spotted a birth cert for her???

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Re: lilie gillgran
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 16 October 12 14:27 BST (UK) »
on the 1900 cesus it says that lilly was born in new york  thanks for looking  haydon
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Re: lilie gillgran
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 18 October 12 15:04 BST (UK) »
Do you have any information on this family's time in the US before or after 1900/1910?

Edited to add:  I see that there are previous threads on this family, so there is some other information.

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Re: lilie gillgran
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 18 October 12 16:20 BST (UK) »
is it possible to  find birth of Lillie in new york  1891 who's her parents. in 1908  James and Lilly came back to UK she was 16. 1900 Lilly was 8 with James gillgrass and his wife Elizabeth .  thanks haydon.
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Re: lilie gillgran
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 18 October 12 16:44 BST (UK) »
There are limited online births for New York - some are at www.familysearch.org and www.italiangen.org.  Since we don't know that she was definitely born there or what her birth name was, that may throw another wrench in the works.

Do you have any later information on Lillie?  Or anything that places the family living in New York?

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Re: lilie gillgran
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 18 October 12 18:51 BST (UK) »
family search say lillie was born   1891 new york  parents  james and elisabeth  gillgrass.  so she was thier daughter  thank you for yuor help in finding her    haydon
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Re: lilie gillgran
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 18 October 12 19:47 BST (UK) »
Please don't take everything you find on Family Search as absolute truth.  Some of it is from submitted records, and these are based on other peoples' conclusions, which may be wrong.  We have already seen conflicting information from the census, so I wouldn't be sure about her place of birth or her parentage until you see a birth record.

If her age on the 1900 census is accurate, Elizabeth would have been approximately age 43 at the time of Lillie's birth.  She & James were apparently married for many years with no offspring, so that makes it seems even less likely that she'd have been able to bear a child at that age.  I really think it's likely that Lillie was adopted.  Italy might have been listed as a birthplace because she had Italian heritage & the person giving the information was confused.

James appears to be listed on the 1920 Census in Kansas City, Missouri as father-in-law to Carl B. Mears:  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M8HJ-YKP  Lillian Mears is listed as born in Missouri & parents born in England.

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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 18 October 12 19:53 BST (UK) »
There is a 16 Oct 1912 marriage record for Lillian Gillgrass & C.B. Mears in Macon, Missouri.

This might be a death for James in Chicago, Illinois - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N3H8-RF7

Lillian & Carl are in Chicago in 1930 & 1940, both with a Missouri birth for Lillian -

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KW15-YPG
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSGN-1M5

Carl's WWII draft registration card - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V1KH-2FW

This appears to be Lillie/Lillian's gravestone:  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0rwp/

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