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Re: DOLAN McAleer
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 11 September 13 21:07 BST (UK) »
Hi Siobhan, I get confused with who I've been in touch with - a senior moment! I have been away for a while and also moving house imminently, but will try to find time todig out any other info we have. No photos, I'm afraid, as John's parents split up when he was very young and he lost touch with his father. Mair

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« Reply #10 on: Thursday 12 September 13 20:10 BST (UK) »
Hello again. I've just come across some information that I obtained from the Newtownstewart parish office, with the Dolan baptisms that they have. As follows:

John Dolan bap 16 June 1861, parents Bernard Dolan and Susannah McFeiters
Margaret Jane Dolan bap 8 May 1864, parents Bernard Dolan and Susannah Maguire
James Dolan bap 21 Dec 1867, parents James Dolan and Ekizabeth Duffy
John James Dolan bap 13 Jan 1869, parents Michael Dolan and Maggie Nickle
Mary Anne Dolan bap 24 May 1891, Bernard Dolan, bap 12 Feb 1893, Michael Joseph bap 4 Jan 1896, John Francis bap 5 Feb 1898, all children of Bernard Dolan and Sarah Coyle
Also the 3 children of Michael and Maggie McAleer that you already have details of.

Hope this is useful!

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Re: DOLAN McAleer
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 06 October 13 17:12 BST (UK) »
Hi folks,

Sorry to jump into the conversation but Michael Dolan was my 2xGt. Grandfather and his daughter Jane my Gt. Granny. I notice reading through the posts that Michael's father is shown as Mick Dolan of Garrison. I wonder how definite that is as I have a death registration for Michael Dolan in Glasgow in 1926. The age profile fits but the father is shown as George Dolan and the mother as Catherine (nee Byrne). I found a George and Catherine Byrne in West Tyrone.

Michael and Margaret also had a son Patrick, dob 02 June 1877.  I also have copies of Robert Dolan's service record from his first enlistment in 1897. Robert's brother John, dob 09 Jan 1889, also enlisted in August 1914 but then seems to have thought better of it. I have copies of his enlistment papers and the correspondence between the army and my Gt. Granny Jane Coyle over his disappearance. I found a John Dolan sailing from Glasgow to the USA. As his father was in Glasgow it's possible that he went there to say goodbye before leaving for America. I've had no luck so far finding him in the States.

I have copies of the 1911 census for both Michael and Robert in Glasgow. 

Regards,

Joe.

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Re: DOLAN McAleer
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 06 October 13 19:38 BST (UK) »
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Re: DOLAN McAleer
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 08 October 13 03:45 BST (UK) »
Hi folks,

Sorry to jump into the conversation but Michael Dolan was my 2xGt. Grandfather and his daughter Jane my Gt. Granny. I notice reading through the posts that Michael's father is shown as Mick Dolan of Garrison. I wonder how definite that is as I have a death registration for Michael Dolan in Glasgow in 1926. The age profile fits but the father is shown as George Dolan and the mother as Catherine (nee Byrne). I found a George and Catherine Byrne in West Tyrone.

Michael and Margaret also had a son Patrick, dob 02 June 1877.  I also have copies of Robert Dolan's service record from his first enlistment in 1897. Robert's brother John, dob 09 Jan 1889, also enlisted in August 1914 but then seems to have thought better of it. I have copies of his enlistment papers and the correspondence between the army and my Gt. Granny Jane Coyle over his disappearance. I found a John Dolan sailing from Glasgow to the USA. As his father was in Glasgow it's possible that he went there to say goodbye before leaving for America. I've had no luck so far finding him in the States.

I have copies of the 1911 census for both Michael and Robert in Glasgow. 

Regards,

Joe.

Hello Joe:
My grandmother was Margaret Ann (Maggie) Dolan b. 8 October 1894. She had an older sister, Elizabeth Catherine (Lizzie)1892, & a younger brother, Francis (Frank) b. Jan 1897. Their mother was Margaret (Maggie) McAleer from Newtownstewart, County Tyrone died Glasgow September 1901. My greatgrandfather, Michael Dolan was married prior to 1891 to Margaret (Maggie) Nichol in Enniskillen County Fermanagh on 24 October 1876. Maggie Nichol's children were Patrick born 1877, Jane born.1879, Robert 1881, John James, 1889. I do not have a death record of Maggie Nichol but she died between the birth of John (do you have his birth record?) & 15 August 1891 when Michael (or Mick) married Maggie McAleer. I don't have a death date for Mick but he is referenced as deceased on Maggie Ann's 1st marriage record to Alexander McCool in 1918 so I don't think that your date of death is his. Lizzie, Maggie & Frank lived in L'derry with Jane and James Coyle in 1911 (census). I have Jane's birth & marriage records. I would like to see Jane's correspondence with army. Robert married Bridget Mary Larkin from Tipperary & had 2 children. My granny married Archie Devlin after the war & Maggie Ann & Archie Devlin (from Ballymena) were my grandparents. Lots more! Which of Jane's children are you related to?
Cheers Siobhan
Kenny, Gault, Douglas and Devlin, Dolan, Magrenra

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Re: DOLAN McAleer
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 13 October 13 23:20 BST (UK) »
Hi Siobhan,

Jane's eldest daughter, Maggie, dob 4th Jan 1903, married Sammy Frazer. Their second child, Anne Jane was my Mum.

Michael's first wife was baptised on 4th October 1854 in Downpatrick, and died on 4th Jan 1891.Their last child, John, was born on 9th Jan 1889. Maggie had a sister, Jane, baptised on 1st July 1859. It may well be that she named her own daughter after her sister, Jane. There is also a record of a Mary Ann Nichol, Father: Robert Nichol, Mother: Mary (as Maggie and Jane), being baptised on 12th Sept 1859. It is noted as an "Adult Baptism".     

Michael worked on the railway with your 2xGt. Granda McAleer and may well have met your Gt. Gran through him. In 1911 he was working as a General Labourer and living in the Saint Rollox Home For Men - Common Lodging House, in the Townhead Burgh of Glasgow.

Maggie and Archie married on 1st Jan 1920. I well remember Aunt Maggie and Uncle Archie. They would come to Derry to visit my Granny Maggie. They were lovely people. Archie was always smiling and jolly and incredibly kind and patient with all us kids. They would always bring a big bag of fruit, which was big stuff back then. The last time I saw your Granny was one miserable, wet afternoon in Barry's Amusements, Portrush, in the summer of 70/71.

Robert, 5ft. 7 3/4 inches, 133 lbs, grey eyes, light brown hair, fresh complexion, first enlisted on 28th December 1897, Service No. 5805. He used Jane's date of birth as he was too young to enlist, and saw service in South Africa and India.

He went to Glasgow on discharge. By 1911 he's working for Glasgow Corporation as a "Tramway Car Motorman", and living as a boarder in Apartment 162, 20 Newland Street, in the Partick area of Glasgow.

With the advent of WWI he re-enlisted, Service No. 13133, as a Corporal, and was greatly responsible for the training of the new recruits, and is referred to in a book on the Seventh Battalion of the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers. They were known as "THE FIGHTING SEVENTH". The Battalion strength was 32 Officers and 995 other ranks, 1,027 in total. In March 1918, days before his death, Bob was photographed with the other 21 surviving members of the original 1,027 men who landed in France in Feb 1916. Going on those figures alone means that Bob had a 1 in 50 chance of surviving that far. When you take into account the number of replacements that came through the Battalion, it would not be unreasonable to estimate that the survival rate for the two years was 1 in 1,000! During that time Bob was twice wounded in action and rose to the rank of RSM.

The only account I have of Bob's death comes from my Granny Maggie when I was maybe four or five. She told me that he went up out of the trench and was blown to "smithereens" (her expression), and only his baton was found.

He was recommended for the Distinguished Conduct Medal but never received it.

His daughter, Margaret Jane (Greta), born 78 Duke Street, Derry, 30th June 1917 and Baptised 1st Jan 0 (possibly 1st July?). Her daughter, Cathy Ryan, lives or lived in London. I don't have an address for her.

My Granny Maggie and Bob's widow corresponded for the rest of her life. Granny always called her Bridget or Aunt Bridget.

Robert and Jane's brother John, 5ft. 9 1/2 inches, 161 lbs, grey eyes, fair hair, fresh complexion, a Fireman, enlisted in the Royal Garrison Artillery at Devonport on 26th Aug 1914, Service No. 48186, showing Jane as his next of kin and was instructed to report to the Citadel, Plymouth. The next entry in his record is "Absconded". Major Sharp wrote to Jane on 10th Dec 1914, asking for details of his Regiment. Jane replied on 14th that he was serving on the HMS Arethusa. The Arethusa was the name ship of the Arethusa class light cruisers and took part in the North Sea Battle of Heligoland Bight on 28th August 1918. John obviously wrote to Jane and most probably got the ship's name from newspaper reports of the battle. I found a John Dolan sailing from Glasgow to New York, but can't find the note of it. He may have gone to say  goodbye to Mick. Mum never heard any mention of John.

To date I can find no reference to Patrick.

Your Granny Maggie's sister, Elizabeth Catherine (Lizzie), married Dan O'Hagan on 7th Feb 1921. Dan was a widower with three children, Dan, Nan and Betty. He and Lizzie had four children, Philomena, Frankie, Maureen and Paddy. At one time (1924) they lived in Portstewart and later in Duke Street opposite Jane and James. We would go over to Aunt Lizzie's to watch the Orange bands on 12th August. We would sit upstairs, and she would give us lemonade, cake and biscuits. She was a lovely woman, always smiling.

Jane died 18th April 1955. I was born on 16th Mar 1954 and clearly remember her. She suffered with arthritis. I distinctly remember being carried into her bedroom. She was in bed with a cage under the bedclothes to keep them off her legs. Mum put me in her arms, and she nursed me. She chatted away and smiled and laughed at me. I remember it as though it was yesterday. James died in the summer of 1953.

I hope you find this helpful. If you let have your address I'll send you copies of everything I have, or what you want out of it. Let me know what you think of it.

Best regards for now, cousin,

Joe.