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We are stumped
« on: Saturday 10 November 12 20:09 GMT (UK) »
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My grandfather, James Davies, was born either 1868 or 16.3.1869(depending on which side of the family supplied details)       in Penlan(Penylan) Silian, Lampeter.  He appears on the 1871 census  born Penlan Silian as a 2 year old.  He appears living in a house on the Common in Lampeter in 1881 census with his parents  and siblings aged 12. Parents Thomas and Margaret (Margret)Davies (father Carpenter /Coachbuilder turned Builder).(dates corrected).

No further sightings until he married my grandmother in February 1898 in Rhydcymerau, Carmarthenshire. He was resident in Llanybydder at that time.

First Child born  November 1898 Nelli, Second child born 1900 Evelyn Ellis and in total 6 were born up til last born 1908. All but the last born in Cwmann Pencarreg.


I cannot find where he apprenticed as a Carpenter.

He was not on the 1901 census. His wife Sarah was living with her mother in law in Treherbert ,Cwmann with two children  Nelli ad Evelyn Ellis and her brother in law , William Septimus Davies, Tailor,erroneously listed as her husband, in 1901(. modyfy have been told by a member that she lived next door to her mother in law. ) .

James did not appear on the 1911 census either.

His wife , Sarah,was living with her 6 children and her father John Jenkins  in 1911 helping with the running of the family Inn ,the Cart and Horses, Rhydcymerau.

James returned from Canada in 1920 and died in Rhydcymerau soon after, on 15 .9 1920.  I have found a retired James Davies travelling from Canada  in 1920 on incoming passenger  list.

I and other cousins have been unable to get any further information.

Family lore states that he helped build the White House in Washington and that he took part in the Gold Rush in SanFransisco.  Neither statement can be true they happened before he was born.
 However an important City Hall ...building did happen in San Fransico 1913 to 1915.. and perhaps he worked on that as he came home in affluant circumstances about that time.(family ,lore again)There is no doubt he went abroad three times.  I think  before his marriage and twice after his marriage.  I understand that it was a very long trip to Canada and  the family did not expect to see him again.

There is no family lore that he was in the 1914/18 war.

We would be grateful for any help offered in tracking his movements.

Sandra

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Re: We are stumped
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 10 November 12 20:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Can you clarify his birthyear as he could not appear on the 1861 census if he was only born in 1868/69

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James Davies, was born either 1968 or 16.3.1869

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He appears on the 1861 census  in Penlan Silian as a 2 year old.  He appears living in a house on the Common in Lampeter in 1871 census
 
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« Reply #2 on: Saturday 10 November 12 21:42 GMT (UK) »
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Birth year 1868/1869   appeared on 1871 census as 2 yrs old.  1881 as 12 year old.  With brains like mine its no wonder he is elusive..

Shown as 28 years on his marriage cetificate in 1898.

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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 10 November 12 22:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi

It looks like he was in the 1WW in Canada

Canada Soldiers 1WW 1914-1918

James Davies
Birth Date 16 March 1873 either the census were wrong or he was
Lampeter, Cardigan Wales
Relative Sarah James Wife
Regiment No 827214

More info to come

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Jenkins, Radnorshire. Herefordshire, Canada
Coley Dudley.
Baston, Cleobury Mortimer.Wolverhampton
Parker Stafford.
Hammond/s Wolverhampton.Shropshire
Duckworth Cheshire.
Proud Walsall.Proud Cape South Africa
Horton Darlaston.
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Tudor. Radnorshire
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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 10 November 12 22:12 GMT (UK) »
Never thought of that. 

He was a member of the Canadian army?...thats the most encouraging possibity I have had!  Maybe he was a hero after all.  I did wonder why he was not enlisted.

His wife was a Sarah Jenkins b 20th June 1873 b Rhydcymerau, Carmarthenshire.

I think he was born 1868 or 1869.The 1869 is a full date of birth recorded by his wife's family.  The 1868 was I think picked out of a hat by a paid researcher some years ago.  He is shown on is marriage certificate as being 28 years old in 1898.

Thank you for assisting in the search.

Regards Sandra

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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 10 November 12 22:17 GMT (UK) »
There's a probate registry entry for him

Address is given as Penbontpren, Llanybyther [sic] - died 15 Sept 1920, a private in the Canadian Army. administration July 1922 to his widow Sarah. Estate worth aruond £86

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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 10 November 12 22:24 GMT (UK) »
My goodness.

You are amazing.  We never heard that he had been a soldier. 

Thank you so much its the first good news we have heard.

He was suposed to be destitute so I never looked at the Probate records.

Distorted family stories.  Yes they did live at Penbontbren.

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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 10 November 12 22:33 GMT (UK) »
So, did he die in Canada or England, I have sent you a PM about the Army Records
Family History is a Pandora's box if you don't like what you see find a new hobby,only concentrate on the proven facts and not the facts you think you know.
Jenkins, Radnorshire. Herefordshire, Canada
Coley Dudley.
Baston, Cleobury Mortimer.Wolverhampton
Parker Stafford.
Hammond/s Wolverhampton.Shropshire
Duckworth Cheshire.
Proud Walsall.Proud Cape South Africa
Horton Darlaston.
Stanton Walsall.
Tudor. Radnorshire
Pittaway. Droitwich

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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 10 November 12 22:48 GMT (UK) »
I have pmd you in full but I can confirm he died in Wales in Penbontbren  or so the family say!

Regards Sandra