Ah-Kin Gin

[jorose]

Another newspaper record relating to his death says "five children"
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/39552115

There are some images of Tasmanian BMDs now on familysearch.
Here hopefully links to Ethel Maud:
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0u5j/
(if not it's under "Launceston and County Districts, RGD 33/64. Births, 1885, Launceston and country districts, B-Victoria, page 290")

Only additional information - birthdate 6 August 1885, registrar informed by letter from Elizabeth from Weldborough.

There are indexes - but only the three Ah Kin children you already have seem to be on them (including son James as  "James Tas Ah Kim").  Grace Lillian's birth is here also:  http://www.rootschat.com/links/0u5n/

It seems likely that there were children born between the marriage in 1875 and the registered birth of Ethel in 1885 (might depend on how they encouraged/forced registration).  If George was an informant at his mother's death I'd imagine he was born late 1870s.


There was a "George Kin", a Chinese interpreter, in the early 1900s in Tasmania who seems like a good possibility for "George Ah Kin" the son of Elizabeth.
Court case reference (might indicate that he was not born China although not entirely conclusive)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/50661648?searchTerm=%22George%20Kin%22

Death in 1919 for George Henry Kin, aged 38, husband of Ruby Myrtle:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/51051778

His will is on the Tasmania archives and confirms that the man who d. 1919 (probate 1920)  was a Chinese interpreter.

His wife may have been previously married to John David Chapman - there is a Trove reference for this man's death in 1908 (and the sad death of a child to John and Ruby in 1906) and there is another will in 1983 for a George Albert Kin who was unmarried but had a niece and nephew named - one a Chapman.

I think Ruby must have remarried as George Albert Kin has a WWII record with next of kin as "Ruby White".

[Hyjean]

 :DThanks majm-have used NSW reference.

Thanks also Aussie1947 for references re chn of deceased. One child had died so journos reference to 5 or 6 children may have been accurate. Info appreciated.

JoRose the docos and website exceeded all expectations. I went to W.A. Genealogy Soc with the hope of tapping in myself to other records but was unsuccessful.

Family myth has it that someone from WA came and brought Grace here from Tas. She would have been 4 only when her mother died. I checked out the limited written records from Orphanages at WAGS Library but hit a blank.

Grateful for all information. Thank you again.

Cheers, Hyjean 

 

[tedscout]

Also it is noted early 1875 a man was convicted of calling out offensive words to Elizabeth whilst standing at the door of her house. She took him to court and he was fined. One assumes that they were racist slurs as her friend Ms King who was with her also married a Chinese named Ah Kit. 

Could Ms King be an anglicised Chinese name?

[Hyjean]

  Thanks Tedscout for comment. I have made reference to that article which appears on Page 1.

Fanny King was married on 4/3/1875 at the private house of her father Tobias King, Launceston. She was 18 and married Ah Kit a storekeeper aged 36 who signed with a X. Rev Edwin Nye officiated according to Wesleyan Church rites. Witnesses Tobias King, Eliza Cassidy

Elizabeth Cassidy was married 25/3/1875 also at the house of Tobias King to Ah Kin 24 miner signed with a X.She was 22 and farmer's daughter and also according to the rites of the Wesleyan Church. Rev Joseph White officiating. Witnesses were Tobias King and Fanny AH Kit.

Thanks and cheers, Hyjean
 Fanny King

[Neil Todd]

I suppose you have searched the WA BDM's for Kin and Cassidy referances

Problem looks as though quite a few of the children wern't registered if there was six. So it would be very hard to find someone when you don't know their name.

Some of the children would have been old enough to look after any young one's if Elizabeth died 1896. IE george could be 21 in 96. 

Neil

[tedscout]

Thanks for clarifying that Hyjean. I was just trying to think outside of the box. 

[majm]

Hi there Hyjean,

I have some questions ....

  May I ask if you have considered posting RChat links to your earlier threads where this chap has been mentioned.....

   In the meantime,  have you obtained copies of the Insolvency files held by the NSW State Records Office for a chap by the name of George Ah Kin.  (link later in this post)

  Some mentions in newspapers that you may already have found re a George AH KIN:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/104749839   The Bega Budget 20 December 1905
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15577398    SMH  20 March 1915

      Then there's this:

Elizabeth died 23 Feb 1896( Certificate held)
States:- Partus aged  47 at Wyniford River Tas
Born Gravelley Beach West Tamar
Informant George Ah Kin Son Wyniford River.


My question:
Is there a census that would enable me to find out what happened to Ethel, James and Grace and where George fitted into the picture. Until the death dertificate there has been no mention of a George Ah Kin.

The indexes to surviving census records for Tasmania are on the Archives' website:
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=10
The latest is 1857, so no help to you.

I cannot see a George AH KIN on Tas electoral rolls in the early 1900's.

   So I think that it is possible that the chap in NSW listed on the Bankruptcy INDEX could be that son, George AH KIN.   You would need to access the file to establish  further details.  Have you checked out that Bankruptcy?

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=59&new=1


Then there's this


The NSW ER 1903, EDEN MONARO, polling at Bega
Lilly AH KIN, Carp St,  domestic duties.

 
   Who was this lady ?  She was obviously a British Subject, aged at least 21 years, but the Electoral Rolls do NOT indicate if that was by birth or by naturalisation, and if by birth, if the birth was in one of the six Australian Colonies.

And finally ....

Thanks majm-have used NSW reference.

   Sorry Hyjean, but I am somewhat confused by your reply to my earlier post giving you a pointer to one of the many INDEXES at NSW SRO.... (Index to the Unassisted Arrivals NSW 1842-1855)

Cheers,  JM

[Aussie1947]

Hi

NSW Country Directory 1895
NIMITYBELLE
Stores
Ah Kin, George.

Gerry

[jorose]

I had a long post which I have now lost. (stupid computer)

In summary:
Australia Recordsearch shows a Charles James King b. "Wedborough" (Weldborough on image), aged about 27 in 1915, wife "L.M." (Lilian Maisie on some records, previously listed as friend "L.M. Bell").  He was 5'2", brown eyes, black hair, according to original enlistment. He later gives his dob as 9th August 1895 in 1918 (when he joined the AFC).

A birth record for "Charles James King" does not seem to exist - but "James Tasmania Ah Kin" was born 9th August 1889, Weldborough.

There is an image of "Lieut C.J. King" during his time in the AFC here (front row second from left).
http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/D00124/

http://smct.org.au/deceasedsearch/
 - here both Charles James King and Lilian May Bell are listed - he in 1954 and she in 1960.

I believe the marriage took place in 1915 - from what I can wrangle out of the Victoria BMD indexes without paying (Chas Jas King to Lilian May Bell)

His death:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/26604298?searchTerm=%22Charles%20James%22%20King