Fresh eyes & ideas needed - Dorking area

[Jane Masri]

William Bravery (1784-1856) married Jane Rose (1806-1863) 1823 Shoreditch, London.  Both were born in Dorking.  Rose might have been related to William's mother, Martha Rose.  William was a tailor by trade. Worth noting that Jane was 22 years William's junior.
No children found for this couple. No sighting of this couple in London, Surrey or anywhere else until;
1841, Westcott.  William & Jane are there plus a JANE BRAVERY aged 1 all born in Surrey.
My pr transcripts has a baptism for, Jane BRAVERY, baseborn daughter of ROSE of Westcott.  20/3/1840 .
FreeBMD has no birth reg. for a Jane BRAVERY in that time-frame only a Jane ROSE Q1 1840 Dorking RD

1851 Westcott (transcribed as Cravey)  William & Jane plus Jane ROSE, grandaughter aged 11.

William dies in 1856.  Jane (his wife) re-marries widower, James Peters in 1857 in Westcott.  In 1861 both Jane & James Peters are together in Westcott.  Jane dies in 1863.

My problem is that I can't find evidence of a baptism for this alledged daughter of William & Jane, Rose.  No marriage or death/burial either.  No sighting on any census.  It's as if she didn't exist apart from that one mention in the pr's.  Could the transcript be wrong?  Could she have been the daughter of Jane, the result of a 'fling' outside of her marriage?  Hence the confusion between the baptismal entry, BRAVERY and the civil reg. of ROSE (her mother's maiden name)
Jane (b. 1840) seems to disappear after 1851.  I've only found one likely marriage in 1861 to Albert Hough at St. Mary's, Lambeth but I'm not sure about it.

I know that by seeing the actual pr entry for this baptism in 1840 might shed some light but I'm not in a position to do so at the moment.  Any fresh ideas would be welcomed,

Jane

[..claire..]

Hi,

What if Jane had a daughter / son before she married?

There is this baptism, right area, just a bit young..

Caroline Rose base born child of Jane Rose 24th October 1819, abode Milton, Dorking.

claire

[Jane Masri]

It's definately a thought Claire  but Jane would have been only 12/13 at the time    and doesn't explain why the pr transcript implies that the child, Jane BRAVERY is the daughter of Rose BRAVERY.  It's frustrating me that I can't see the original entry 

Jane

[barryd]

I learnt most of my Surrey directions at the train indicator at Waterloo Station. Wooden slats controlled by someone behind the infernal machine. Waterloo, Leatherhead, Dorking North and Horsham (Sussex).

Is the attached link below any help to you?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J3LL-1J5

From FreeBMD three William Bravery births registered in:

Dorking - June Qtr. 1839
Horsham - Mar Qtr. 1841
Dorking - Dec Qtr. 1843

[..claire..]

Hi,

Don't know if this is your man but on An****ry a William Bravery born 1784 was imprisoned (receiving stolen goods) and later acquitted 15 April 1839 Surrey.

If the child is Jane's base born daughter, the time frame is just about right for the baby to be conceived.

claire

[barryd]

Here is the familysearch.org version of the Jane Bravery baptism in Dorking:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMWT-Z2K

[johnxyz]

Only you can decide if the £9.25 is worth it for you, but I'd be inclined to get the birth certificate for Jane ROSE.

Two additional thoughts.

1. Your hypothetical Jane daughter of William & Jane could be as old as 16 by 1840. Suppose she was born marriage date + 6 months?
2. If William's mother was Martha ROSE, could he have named a daughter Rose BRAVERY before he married Jane in 1823? Do you know he was a bachelor at that marriage ?
 

[lizdb]

A theory -

Jane had a daughter before she married William Bravery. This daughter therefore with surname Rose.

This daughter has a baby in 1840, called Jane Rose and registered as such. But mum does a runner (or dies) and Jane is brought up by grandparents William and Jane Bravery, and it is they who have her christened, thus vicar records her as Jane Bravery, but records mother as 'Rose', meaning that was her surname.

[Jane Masri]

Right, some good ideas here.
I've been digging around as far as the ROSE family is concerned.  The only baptism I can find for Jane ROSE is 31/12/1806 (I had put this as her birth date on my data base) but she was born 1/1/1799.  This is on familysearch & I've checked it against the transcript.  She was the daughter of Richard & Hannah ROSE, all their children being born in Dorking.  The only clue I have for her DOB is from the 1851 census which suggests 1805 but I know this can be wrong.  I was hoping to find a burial record for her in 1863 with her age (an earlier posting here on Rootschat) but no luck
Barry, thank you for your input.  That William Bravery belongs to another family.  The familysearch entry for Jane Bravery's baptism would have come from their film of the Dorking pr's so fairly sure that is the correct wording.
Claire, yes, I have that information about William's misdemeanour but I hadn't put it into the context of this puzzle, so something to look into.
John, as this family is not in my direct line, I would hesitate about getting the cert.  As William was about 39 at his marriage in 1823 there's definately room for another marriage but I've never found one but I could explore that possibility again!  Nothing on the marriage entry about status but I'll look again.
Liz, I had thought of the vicar getting muddled with these names when he recorded this baptism (I know I have doing this research)  I'm liking the suggestions put forward that Jane Bravery nee Rose had a child before she married William.  Especially this Caroline ROSE that Liz found.
I'm drilling down on this ROSE family at the moment but keep your ideas & any new finds coming 

Jane