Rose Ellen (Nellie) Beard b Normanby circa 1873

[Paul Beard]

Rose Ellen (aka Nell or Nellie) Beard was a grand aunt of mine. I know that she was born on 3rd March and when married in 1898 her age was shown as 25 - so born in 1872 or 1873. She died on 7th June 1957, in Brighton, Sussex. Her death certificate gives her age as 84 and her year of birth as abt 1873.

Her parents were James Beard (1848-1910) and Jane Beard, nee Turner (1848-1922). James was a journeyman stonemason. Rose was their first child. Their second child was born in Penrith in 1875.

The family moved to Gloucestershire and Rose (shown as aged eight), along with her parents is shown on the 1881 Census living in Barton St Mary, Gloucester. There is no trace of her on the 1891 Census. She married Henry Simmons, in Helsby, Cheshire on 30th May 1898 and the couple are shown as living in Brighton, Sussex on the 1901 and 1911 Census returns.

GRO have been unable to trace a birth certificate for Rose. I know that the day and month of birth are correct as family diaries have birthday entries in. I have traced a Rose Ellen Beard born in South Shields in 1869 but she, despite later living in Gloucestershire, does not connect.

If anyone has access to Normanby Parish records could they please check them for Rose's birth and baptism. I am not entirely sure when and where her parents were married so she could appear as illegitimate. Her only daughter died without having children so there is no hope of finding any blood descendants to assist.

Thank you for taking the time and trouble to read this lengthy message and for any help you are able to give.

[CaroleW]

Where did you get Jane's maiden name of Turner from?

Jane was born in Scotland so could they have married there?

[davidft]

Where did you get Jane's maiden name of Turner from?

Jane was born in Scotland so could they have married there?

I looked on scotlandspeople 1870-1881 and there is no James Beard marrying a Jane or a Turner in that period

[Paul Beard]

Hi

Thanks for getting back to me. Jane's maiden name of Turner is on the birth certificates of her subsequent children. As for her marriage to James - that has proved impossible to find in either Scotland or England. I have come to the conclusion that they had an irregular marriage as permitted in Scotland.

Her place of birth varies on the Census returns - Scotland, Glasgow or Longtown 'Dumfriesshire'. I appreciate that Longtown is the English side of the border with Dumfriesshire but I know that she was Scottish from what my grandfather, father and aunt told me and what is recorded in my grandfather's diaries that I have - some of which date to the early 1900's. Her clan was Lamont.

1881 Census for Rose and her mother

Name: Rose E. Beard
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Beard
Mother's Name: Jane Beard
Gender: Female
Where born: Normanby, Yorkshire, England
 
Civil parish: Gloucester Barton St Mary 
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Millbrook Cottage Millbrook St

Employment status: .
Occupation: Scholar

Name: Jane Beard
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Beard
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
 
Civil parish: Gloucester Barton St Mary
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
 
Street Address: 3 Millbrook Cottage Millbrook St
Condition as to marriage: Married
 
Registration district: Gloucester
Sub-registration district: South Hamlet
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page 
Piece: 2537
Folio: 22
Page Number: 38
Household Members: Name Age
James Beard 32
Jane Beard 32
Rose E. Beard 7
John D. Beard 5
Henry A. Beard 2
 
Regards

Paul

[dave-the-rave]

hi ive found a rose j turner born 1875 9d 469 guisbrough
ive found some times they use both names in births i,e rose turner, beard
just a thought if this one helps in any way dave

[Paul Beard]

Dave - thank you. That isn't something I had actually thought of so will see where that takes me. Regards - Paul

[dave-the-rave]

Dave - thank you. That isn't something I had actually thought of so will see where that takes me. Regards - Paul

it was a thought as ive come across it before in a search for a friends scottish family moved to mbro
i cannot she a death for her b 1875  rose j turner or a marriage in mbro dave

[CaroleW]

The birth entry above is for Rose Jane Turner December qtr 1875 - yours was Rose Ellen born 1872/73.

However - Guisborough is the right Reg district for Normanby

[CaroleW]

The 1881 census has a Rose Turner aged 5 b Brotton Yorks with parents Arthur and Phyllis living in Battersea   RG11 Piece 643 Folio 94 Page 64

Brotton came under Guisborough RD