Thomas James MOORE

[KWATTON]

Hi - Im new to this - Just looking to see if anyone has any info on Thomas James Moore - He was married to Ellen Maria Beecken in 1900 in South Australia. Thomas was born around 1876. In particular I am looking to find out his parents details.  I believe he may have been adopted, I believe his fathers name was Edward Thomas Moore but i dont know his mothers name - I have attached a copy of his burial site and a photo of him

[jomcd967]

Hi Kwatton,

Have you purchased his marriage/death certificate? Australian birth/death/marriage certificates can contain a huge amount of information and is well worth buying. It should tell you where he was born, when, parents, etc. I note that there is a marriage in North Adelaide, SA for Frank Moore on the 15 Jan 1916 to Margaret Mary Hyland, his father is also an Edward Thomas Moore, Frank died 18 Aug 1953.

Regards, Jo

[KWATTON]

Thank you for that Jo - I have checked out BDM - unfortunately there was only limited info on the marriage certificate, there are no birth certificates.  I also went to SA adoptions.  Rumor has it that Thomas James Moore was found in a "shoebox" - back then i dint believe there were any adoption laws - finders keepers .  I believe Frank Moore was a brother but again there is only limited info on him - cheers and thanks again  Kathy

[rosball]

In case you don't have it, here is death notice for Ellen Maria Moore
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56067228

regards,
   Ros

[rosball]

And here is Thomas James Moore's death notice - only mentions wife and children
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article50192632

regards,
   Ros

[jomcd967]

Hi Kathy, just to clarify; are both Thomas James and Frank adopted? At about what age and where? Is Edward Thomas Moore their supposed real father or their adopted father? Jon

[cando]

Adoption was not legalised until the 1920's in Aus so there will be no paper trail for your Thomas. 

There is no birth c1876 in South Australia of a Thomas James MOORE with father Edward Thomas MOORE.

Marriages

MOORE Thomas James 24 years  Status Single  Father Edward Thomas MOORE
BEECKEN Ellen Maria  25 years  Status Single  Father Johannes Franz Heinrich BEEKEN
2 Jul 1900
At the residence of Johannes Franz H Beecken, Mitcham  Ade 204/186

MOORE Frank  29 years Status single Father  Edward Thomas MOORE
HYLAND Margaret May 28 years Status single Father James HYLAND
15 Jan 1916
At St Mary North Adelaide   Ade 266/129

Ah you have a tree online and the information for Thomas's birth date of 29 Sep 1876 was sourced from Alfred James & Sons [Funeral Directors in SA].  There were nineteen male births registered on that date but of course not everyone registered their children's births. 

Do you have either of the above marriage certificates?  If so who were the witnesses and what were the grooms' occupations? 

On Frank's marriage certificate you will find the following info and there always the possibility that he wasn't born in SA. Perhaps Thomas wasn't either. Their death certificates should note their places of birth ie if known to the informants.

1908-1963
    Date and Place of Marriage
    Bride and Bridegrooms Names, Ages, Place and Country of Birth
    Trade
    Residence
    Father's names

Have you attempted to find any information about Thomas's father?  I can't see an Edward Thomas MOORE on the 1903 SA Electoral Roll but if he did live in SA perhaps he didn't enrol to vote or was deceased by that date.

Difficult to identify on the Sands and McDougall 1939 SA Directory.  There are a number of F MOORE's but these two caught my attention but difficult to establish if they are your people of interest.

MOORE F Strathalbyn  Labourer
MOORE  T J  Strathalbyn   Butcher

1943 SA Electoral Roll
MOORE Ellen Maria  14 Beaconsfield Terrace, New Parkside  HD
MOORE Thomas James  14 Beaconsfield Terrace, New Parkside  Packer

So often family stories are simply that and difficult to prove if this one is true or false.


Cheers
Cando

[KWATTON]

Thank you so much for your responses

I haven't actually purchased a marriage certificate for Thomas & Ellen - the details i obtained were from ancestry and the microfilm at Geneology SA and these showed the father being Edward Thomas and no mother listed. 

Rumor has it he was adopted as an infant (0-12mths) and i cant find any paper trail on this

Edward Thomas Moore (father) and his wife/partner are a mystery

Thanks again

Kathy

[cando]

South Australian marriage registrations do not show the mothers of the groom or bride in 1900

Info on marriage certs from...
1868-1907
    Date and Place of Marriage
    Bride and Bridegrooms Names, Ages and Rank
    Condition
    Trade
    Residence
    Father's names

The 'adoption' would have been an informal arrangement not a legal process pre 1920's.

Cando