James brown Abt 1841

[kazza41]

I'm trying to find the correct birth for my ggg grandfather. I have ordered several birth certificates but im still unable to confirm correct one. I know fron census he was born about 1841 in west hannifield. I have the death cert i know he died 24th march 1889 at the aged of 48 and was married to elizabeth riglen ansd they lived in woolwich. I hope someone can help

Thank you 

[CaroleW]

Hi

Failure to register a birth only became a fineable offence in 1874/5.  Prior to then, many births went unregistered

West Hanningfield came under the Chelmsford registration district for that period

According to the 1869 marriage cert - his father was also James - occ sawyer

From freebmd

Births March qtr 1840
 
Brown  James    Chelmsford  12 45   


Births September qtr 1841 
 
Brown  James     Chelmsford  12 42

[CaroleW]

This appears to be the family in West Hanningfield in 1841 which lets out the 1841 birth above

All born Essex

James Brown 30 sawyer
Mary   27
Mary   5
James   1
Thomas   5 Months
HO107 Piece 325/18   no folio number shown   Page 3

If you are trying to establish his mothers maiden name - you may be better with a copy of his brother Thomas's birth cert

Births March qtr 1841
 
Thomas Brown  Chelmsford  12 53

[kazza41]

Hi Carole

I have both of those birth certs the one in the march quarter is a dec birth so it is not that one because that would make him 49 in 1887 and i know he died aged 48 1889. The sept quarter one say's he was born in  little waltham but census say's west hanningfield and mothers name was eliza not elizabeth. Im a bit confused!!!

[Annette7]

His baptism is on SEAX - bp.17/3/1840 West Hanningfield, son of James Brown and Mary Ann (formerly Cox).

So mother not Eliza or Elizabeth.

Annette

[kazza41]

Hi Annette

I Have birth cert for james brown mother mary ann cox but the birth date is dec 1839 so if he died 1889 aged 48 that would make him 49

[kazza41]

Forget eliza and elizabeth was looking at wrong certificate mothers names was mary ann.

[CaroleW]

Hi

A couple of things to bear in mind re: ages.

Inaccuracies in ages on census entries, marriage and death certs was very commonplace.  My great grandfather was shown as 65 by his daughter who reported his death - he was actually 75.

You have to look at the actual date of his birth in relation to his age when he died  (eg) James b December 1839 would have been 49 in March 1889 so we are only looking at a 1yr inaccuracy

The info on a death cert is very much dependant on how well the person reporting the death knew him - and if that person did not have a copy of his birth cert .........

[kazza41]

i see what you saying the probability is that his daughter who registered his death got wrong. Out all the 4 birth certs Ive ordered this the only one in west hannifield. Thank for all your help Annette and carole