TRAYNORs in Manchester and Pendleton

[lady hendon]

1871 census.
1 St.Margarets pl, New Monkland Lanarkshire
Bernard Traynor wife Sarah
& 3 children John Patrick & mary ann

[elzabels]

I am trying to establish the birthplaces of the parents, who were born about 1820 somewhere in Ireland.

According to census returns Bernard was born 1811 & Mary 1816

I can find the family at
1841 HO107 543 3
1861 RG9 2902 18 9
1881 RG11 3967 99 7
1891 TG 12 3205 1932 Percy Street. Bernard is a widower living with son Thomas

This family were still at Percy Street in 1911. I cannot see another death entry than the one given, the information shown is only as good as the informant knows....Contact the local Registry Office and enquire whether the infomant was son Thomas of Percy Street

[EdwinReffell]

Thank you for this information. I have searched the marriage records for all Ireland and only found 2 marriages with a Bernard TRAYNOR married to a Mary, one in 1822 (much too early) and the other in 1847 (they were in England). Since their first child Rosanna is born about 1837 they may have married in England after they arrived in 1836 or earlier.
Here they are in 1851 census
1851 Census
HO 107/2222 Transcription # A098..Page 31
Shed # 111
Pimblott St.
Bernard Traynor.......Head..Mar....................................all blank..............
Mary Traynor..........wife..mar.......................................all blank..............
Rosanna Traynor......Dau...............................................all blank.............
Edward Traynor.......Son...11.........................................all blank...............
Bernard Traynor.......Son...4.........................................born...Lancs.
Mary Traynor..........Dau.....3.......................................born...Lancs (abt 1848 5yrs different to 1861 census, I guess it should read age 8 meaning birth abt. 1843)
John H Traynor........Son.....2........................................born Lancs.

Bernard and Mary could not be found in the 1871 census.

[heywood]

Not much to help you but here they are in 1871   4008/ 21/ 2

15 Broad Steet Pendleton

Bernard Fraynor   60 yrs Tailor  b Ireland
Mary wife    58 yrs b Ireland
Edward son 30 yrs Clerk in Warehouse
Mary daur 24 yrs Unemployed
Bernard son 22 yrs Clerk in Post Office
Thomas son 19 yrs Tailor
Ellen daur 17 yrs Dressmaker
Arthur R Sykes grandson 2 yrs b  Sale Cheshire

children born Pendleton

As has been said before, the children's birth certificates (the Pendleton born ones) would give you Mary's maiden name which  may then help with a search for the marriage or place of origin.

[elzabels]

Great looks like the full set now!

Arthur R Sykes grandson 2 yrs b  Sale Cheshire

This is probably Rosanna's son I have picked up she married William SYKES 1863 , the Registrar attended the marriage which confirms non conformist or Registry Office! I would be inclined to look for a local RC churc and check the Parish Records for the childrens baptisms thye may have the mother's maiden name

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/PendletonS/StSebastian.shtml

otherwise you will need to purchase one of the childrens birth cert

Rosanna was b Oct - Dec 1837 in the Deansgate area of Manchester.Unless the parents married in the quarter 1 July 1837 when regisdtration started, you are looking at Parish records for the marriage

All the other children were born in Pendleton all but Bernrads year of birth are correct on the census calculation Bernard waas b 1846

Lancashirebmd.org.uk

[EdwinReffell]

Neil has just emailed me that he has the birth certificate for Edward born in 1841 in Pendleton and that Mary's maiden name is given as HOYLE or MOYLE. I have looked that up in the Irish web pages and found a church marriage in 1835 in Co Mayo of a Mary MOYLES but nothing of that year for a TRAYNOR or the like. Perhaps they married after they came to England which I suppose was about 1835. Their first child Rosanna was born in Deansgate, Manchester in 1837. Has anyone any suggestions about what I can do to find out more about the marriage of Bernard and Mary if it was before 1837 in England?

[heatherjulie]

Hi
So the one on familysearch might be them mother's name Hoey

[EdwinReffell]

I looked at the image for John Henry's marriage in USA where his mother's maiden name is given as HOEY. It gives his father as Bernard Richard. Neil thinks it very unlikely that it is his Bernard as there is no occurrence of the name Richard in the family. However he does not have the middle name of his Bernard so he is going to try and track the other children of Bernard Richard to see if they are the same as his Bernard's children. Do you have any suggestions how to track them? Thank you for your help.

[heywood]

Richard is the father of John H's wife.