Confusion with McDermotts, Chorlton upon Medlock

[Ravintola]

Information known:
Anthony Allen McDermott Died  20th May 1934 aged 57 (from obituary)
I have the birth Cert which gives Dob as 22-6-1876 Father John McDermott Plasterer, Mother Ann Moran.
Sent for Marriage cert 14th July 1873 both aged 19 (Dob 1854)  his profession is a grainer and they are both at Chorlton upon Medlock Manchester. Johns father is Michael and hers is Patrick.
I have found them on most census records

On the 1871 Census they are down as McDormott and there is John aged 30 plasterer
Ann  age 28
Mary Ann age 10 (my Dad remembers her been talked about) (it would mean Ann Moran was 7 when she gave birth so something must be incorrect here
Thomas age 7
Michael age 5
John W age


On the 1881 Census they are McDermott again and there is

John age 39 a plasterer
Ann age34
Thomas age 1?
John W age 11
Joseph age 6
ANTHONY ALLEN age5
Francis age 2


Obtained Grave record and I was  told Anthony Allens parents were John and Nancy McDermott. So I looked this morning and found a Nancy and John Married in Leeds 1855 at a Parish Church (they were staunch Catholics)

Just to make it even more confusing there is an Ann Mourne married to a John McDermott in Bradford in Sep 1860 which I thought could be mistaken for Moran with an Irish accent!! But it isn't Nancy, could that just have been their name for her.   Please advise, thank you.

[fastfusion]

the census at large accross the world is generally based upon "age known at last birthday",    however,   if one has a christening certificate instead of a birth certificate and for example one was christened a year or two after one was born then do you know how old you are,     and,   so there is straight away an approximate age given...

However in the vast majority of cases in the 1841 uk census the age was anything up to 5 years out,  and one notices in america  it can be anything up to two years out

So if you are relying on the ages given in the census please dont,    get the actual certificates  or the christening details to assume a sense of correct age.

As for women or "minors" having children     , well,  unfortunately it happens,  and in some cases where the parents are married off as young as 12/13/14/15   then one does stumble accross the odd child thereof where it seems to be incorrect.

best i can offer without finding all the records you have sighted or discounted

others may find or discount my opinion  which is all good

 

marty

[heatherjulie]

There is an Anthony Allan McDermott who was born in Bradford in 1876.
His parents are John and Ann. In 1881 John is a plasterer born in Ireland. All the children are born West Yorkshire, Bradford.
Children are Thomas, John W, Joseph, Anthony A and Francis
In 1901, Anthony is married to Emma and they have a son John aged 1. Living in Bradford

Heather

[heywood]

Just posting this as it is about the same family:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,630236.msg4781544.html#msg4781544

Re 1871 that you post:

If Ann is 28 yrs and Mary Ann is 10 yrs - she would be 18 yrs when she had her not 7 yrs as you say 

Nancy is another name for Ann

[Oreo]

I wonder if you have the wrong marriage.  You say they married in 1873 in Chorlton but they have several children in 1871 in Bradford, Yorkshire.

Do you know where they lived?  Where are they buried? 

[crisane]

I am confused. You say they were married in 1873 and both were aged 19, which is here you get the age 7 for Ann at birth of Mary Ann.

This is the marriage cert you have?
Marriages Sep 1873   
John Mc  Dermott
Ann Moran       
Manchester 8d/729

[heatherjulie]

The John McDermott who is a plasterer, is the son of Andrew and Hannah in 1871 at 2 North Court Bradford
45/84/4461/49/19

Heather

[heywood]

Are you the same person who posted the previous thread?  If not, it is very odd:

Help! I'm stuck again.

I have Anthony Allen McDermott born 1876 Bradford, I have the birth certificate which shows father John mother Ann Moran. I sent for the marriage cert which shows they were married in 1873 in Manchester both aged 19.

I then find them on the 1881 and 1891 census in Bradford which all fits in. However on the 1881 census they have a son aged 18 which would make Ann 9 when she had him! Also the ages vary considerably.I am very confused, please can anyone shed any light on this? 

Thank you.

shebadog was going to send for the 1860 certificate.

[heatherjulie]

I think that this is the couple who married in Manchester

In 1881 at 6 Monnely Street Chorlton upon Medlock
John McDermott 26 Head born Manchester painter and grainer
Annie McDermott 26 wife born Manchester
Sarah A McDermott 7 born 1873 Chorlton

Birth record for Sarah Ann McDermott Apr-May-June 1873 vol 8c page 734

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