Coleshill lookups - Alder

[ribbo39]

Hi all,

I'm trying to find the bapt. of Elizabeth Alder of about 1680 in Coleshill. She supposedly is the dau.
of William Alder and his wife Sophia (nee Turner).
Some of these details i've got from A....y without showing any sources.

I see there is a bapt. for William Alder on 5-11-1627  and Sophia Turner about 1835 all in Coleshill
and if anyone has these transcripts could they please look for  the above info please?
 
As both William and Sophia are shown as from Coleshill could a marriage for them also be found
in about 1650ish

Hope I'm not asking for too much.

Alan

[jamajo]

Hi Alan,

       From OFHS Coleshill PRs....

Baptisms

16 Oct 1680 Elizabeth Alder dau of William
27 Jul 1627 Willim Alder son of Willm

There is no baptism for Sophia...

Marriage

17 Jan 1659 William Alder to Sophia Turner


   Sue 

[jamajo]

 There are these Alder baptisms incase they help

30 Nov 1660 Sarah d William
29 Nov 1661 William s William
8 Jan 1662 Henry s William
2 Sep 1664 William s William jun
16 Nov 1668 Patience d William and Sophia
14 Jan 1670 Mary d Will
16 Aug 1672 Grace d William
2 Apr 1674 John s Will
4 Mary 1676 Mary d Will
16 Oct 1680 Elizabeth ( posted above )

 Elizabeth looks like last child Alan


  Sue

[Kimbrey]

Not included in the Coleshill transcripts, but Family Search have a baptism 12 Oct 1637 for "unknown TURNER d TURNER !!

Could be Sophia but we will never know !

Kim

[jamajo]

I had another look in Coleshill for you Alan and wonder if these help. All for Alder...

This must be Williams parents marriage
26 Oct 1626 William Alder to Joanne Greene

And this baptism which would be William b 1627 sister
27 Jul 1628 Marie d Willm

And here are some burials

3 Sep 1630 Joanne Alder w Willm
Nov 1657Goodwife w Willm
17 May 1670 Will
Jun 1671 Mary d Willm
1679 Sarah

I did find this other marriage and wondered if William who married Joanne maybe married again

13 Sep 1640 William Alder to Anne Butcher

If i can help more just ask

[ribbo39]

Hello Sue & Kim,

Many thanks for your help - most appreciated.

Could I please ask for one more favour?  -  Can you see a marriage for Elizabeth Alder (born 1680) in Coleshill to possibly a John? about 1705 ish.

Alan

Edited; I now believe that the John Batt who figures in my wife's tree married an Elizabeth Vezey in
Marlborough in 1704, and not the above Elizabeth Alder. This was taken from A....y and  it appears an incorrect entry obviously copied from one wrong source to another's tree without resources to back it up.!!
It would be even more interesting, however,  if this marriage was confirmed in Coleshill. (Elizabeth to John Batt)


Alan

[jamajo]

Hi Alan,

        Had a look at Coleshill and there is no marriage for Elizabeth or any of the others im afraid.

 Sue

[ribbo39]

Hi Sue,

Thank you very much for looking.

Alan

[QueenoftheWest]

Hi,

This will probably be a bit of a "blast from the past" seeing as you last posted on this thread in 2013, but I am also looking into the Alder-Batt family!

My 5xGG was Elizabeth Batt (d.1786). She married James Titcomb on 15th April 1759 in Ogbourne St George, Wiltshire. Together they had John (1760), William (1761) Elizabeth (1764), who is my ancestor, Edward (1766), Sophia/Saffiya (1768) and James (1775).

My problem is that there does not appear to be a baptism entry in the Ogbourne St George parish registers for either Elizabeth or James 

Elizabeth must be the granddaughter of John Batt & Elizabeth Alder, as they were the first to have children in the parish of Ogbourne St George.

John Batt & Elizabeth Alder must have married before 1698, as that is when their first son, William, was baptised. They then had John (1702), Elias (1704), Sophia/Sapphira (1706), Sarah (1708), Elizabeth (1711), Grace (1713), Patience (1715-1719), Alder (1717), who was given Elizabeth's maiden name as his forename, Mary (1719) and Patience (1722).

Frustratingly, I don't know which of their sons had Elizabeth, but I would go for either John or William, as Elizabeth (d.1786) had sons with those names. I know William was alive until at least 1747, as he is mentioned in his father's will.

John & Elizabeth's marriage record has not survived.

Elizabeth was the daughter of William Alder and Sapphira (Sophia) Turner. Elizabeth was born in Coleshill in 1780, but grew up in Ogbourne St George.

William & Sophia moved their family from Coleshill to Ogbourne St George between the baptism of Elizabeth in 1680 and the baptism of their final child, Sarah, which took place in Ogbourne St George in 1684.

William Alder passed away in 1687 and was buried in Ogbourne St George. His wife, Sapphira, passed away in 1725, so she must have been quite young when she married.

The Sophia/Sapphira/Saffiya/Sophiah name was passed down from generation to generation. The last one I can think of was my 3xGG's sister.

If anyone can magically find the baptism of Elizabeth Batt (which would have most likely been in the late 1730s), I would be so grateful. Regardless, I am interested to hear whether you are still researching this family or if anyone else is.

Queenie