Edward William HOOPER in and around Coombe, Tangley, Hurstbourne Tarrant, Hampsh

[meeganf]

Hello everyone
I am searching for the birth of Edward around 1798 and about 5 years either side, in and around the above towns please. His parents were William Hooper and Mary MACKRELL. Possible siblings were John, Thomas and Charles.

Thanks so much for any information that might be available
Best wishes
Meegan

[Schoch]

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J72Q-VJQ

This may help, there are other Hooper children born in the same decade here, but I can not see an Edward

[meeganf]

Thank you, schoch, I think that is my John with William and Mary - Edward William just doesn't want to be found!
Cheers and thanks
Meegan

[Little Nell]

Meegan,

Can I ask what is possibly a silly question?  How did you establish that Edward's parents were William & Mary if you have not yet found his baptism?  Is there some other clue, like a will or census?

Nell

[meeganf]

Hi Little Nell

Not a silly question at all - I am really surmising which I shouldn't do, I know. A process of elimination and hope as well!

My GGrandmother came to Aust in 1885 (20yrs) with her sister (17) yrs) which I have always thought was strange, them being on their own at that age. There was another family of the same name - mother at 58 yrs and children from 23-15. Their names didn't ring any bells as if they were cousins so I thought perhaps there was a brother whom I hadn't discovered. Found a marriage of a Edward William Hooper to Harriet Stroud nee Toms (she was a widow) in 1858 (FamilySearch) with them both bn 1828. Edward's father was noted as William which fits in with my GGrandfather's father and around his date of birth as well (1825).

So have surmised that Edward William, whom I haven't been able to positively identify in any census data (common enough name) was a GGUncle and the husband of Harriet. On the birth certs of Harriet's 3 children, Edward William (sometimes just William) is noted as a merchant seaman. This may account for his non-show on census data as well as him not being on the ship at the same time perhaps, in 1885. Again, from a death point of view for Edward - a common enough name to go to the trouble of getting lots of DCs. There is a possibility he did come to Aust and will get a transcription of a DC soon. The index gives a William as his father.

But if there are no other children bn to William and Mary (Mackrell) it may have not been my Edward William Hooper at all. Unsure if there is anywhere else I can go from here but I really appreciate you asking the question as it made me think again.

Might be the proverbial lost cause and they weren't my direct line - it is frustrating when you go indirect and then more problems arise! That's why I love FH so much though, brings out the detective in me
Cheers and thanks , Little Nell

[Little Nell]

Sorry, Meegan, I think your surmising might be a little off target.

Perhaps I have misunderstood something from above, but Edward William Hooper was dead by 1881, so cannot have gone to Australia.  Harriet is shown as a widow in 1881 at 71 Bevois Street – the place mentioned in your previous thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,640734.0.html
Edward died 14 July 1877 aged 48, he was a Customs Extra Man, previously of the Royal Navy.
Edward William Hooper m Harriet Toms nee Stroud 5 Dec 1858 in Southampton
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N6N7-36F

Checking the census, 1871 has them in Southampton.  Edward born Stonehouse, Plymouth, Devon and Harriet born in Weymouth, Dorset in 1826 or so.  Edward is down as a Naval Pensioner

This looks like Harriet’s baptism:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/ND2S-DQ2

She married Charles Toms in Southampton in 1850.  She was a servant in Marlands Place in 1851, but no idea where Charles is.  He appears to have died in 1855.

So we’ve been looking way too early for Edward’s birth and in the wrong place!  Not sure where the 1798 date came from.  William Hooper & Mary Mackrell married in 1785, but could not have produced Edward William in 1828.  I think you might be one generation missing. 

Nell

[meeganf]

Hi Little Nell
I have BCs for 3 children of Harriet and Edward William/ William in 1862, 63 and 69 with him listed as a "seaman merchant service" and "seaman steam vessel". Definitely them as has Harriet's maiden name - Stroud- and the Bevois St addresses 55 and 71. Harriet was the informant on all births so Edward may well have been away sailing each time.

I think you are definitely correct in that I am a generation out! The 1828 came from the marriage on familysearch to Harriet with his father's name as William. The correct names of his parents, if it is the Edward I am after, are Charles and Ann and siblings Charles, Frederick and Ursula.

The reason I am on the (what feels like a wild goose) chase is when my GGrandmother and GAunt came to Aust in 1885 (they were 20 and 17 yrs old) and the only other people on board with the same name were Harriet and her 3 children. So I have been searching for a link thinking they may have been cousins but may have been totally wrong and they were unrelated totally. Just that there seems to be no one else in Aust the 2 girls would have come to - at least family anyway. I thought that perhaps Harriet's husband, Edward William, may have been Charles' brother and therefore an uncle/aunt to my girls

Will have to dig a little deeper I think - thanks so much for keeping me on the straight and narrow. It can be so easy to get distracted!
Cheers
Meegan

[Little Nell]

Will have to dig a little deeper I think

Well, it seems that Harriet was from Dorset and Edward came from Devon, so the marriage of William and Mary may also be a red herring (sorry, not my fault her name was Mackrell  )  Perhaps post a request on the Devon board?

Nell

[meeganf]

Think me assuming that Edward William was a son of William and Mary (get the joke!) was the problem, Nell. William and Mary were from around Faccombe - they married in 1785 according to the PRs.

May just be a total coincidence that the Edward and Harriet Hooper family (without Edward) were on the same ship to Aust as my ladies and they weren't related at all. It is one of those queries that has nagged at me but seems I won't be able to solve it without a lot more assumptions
Thanks again for your help, Nell
Meegan