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Northwich???
« on: Friday 26 April 13 19:14 BST (UK) »
My GG Grandfather was born in Northwich according to a few censuses. He was born pre-1837 so I'm trying to find him on parish registers but I cannot figure out where to look for Northwich, it wasn't mentioned on CPRdb and I drew a blank trying to look it up :/ Anyone know what area I need to search? Or indeed, if there's an easier resource than the CPRdb- it's an amazing project but boy, it's confusing!

His name is James Darbyshire, bn c1821. He was a butcher and my first solid reference to him is the 1851 census in Liverpool with his wife Martha.

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Denise
Colbert- Liverpool (Seaforth) / Ebbw Vale
Darbyshire- Liverpool / Northwich
Walker- Liverpool / Wakefield / Leicester / Manchester
Corrin- Liverpool / Isle of Man (Douglas / Onchan)

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Re: Northwich???
« Reply #1 on: Friday 26 April 13 19:44 BST (UK) »
This could be James' baptism -

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NYXH-YJL

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Re: Northwich???
« Reply #2 on: Friday 26 April 13 19:49 BST (UK) »
James Darbyshire born 14th april 1820 - baptised 14th May 1820 at Independant Congregational church,Northwich
parents Thomas and Sarah
is that the same one as JJen posted ?

allan
added- possible marriage - Thomas Darbyshire to Sarah Lowe 6th april 1812 at Saltersford cum Kettleshulme ,Cheshire
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: Northwich???
« Reply #3 on: Friday 26 April 13 20:16 BST (UK) »
Yes, that's great thanks! They're the same. That could well be him.

Anyone know what parish (or hundred or whatever) Northwich was in? It may be useful to know as I try to work back from this baptism...
Colbert- Liverpool (Seaforth) / Ebbw Vale
Darbyshire- Liverpool / Northwich
Walker- Liverpool / Wakefield / Leicester / Manchester
Corrin- Liverpool / Isle of Man (Douglas / Onchan)


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Re: Northwich???
« Reply #4 on: Friday 26 April 13 20:18 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the marriage Allan, was just looking for any other kids they had. There's another Thomas and Sarah Darbyshire in Lymm so it's a bit confusing...
Colbert- Liverpool (Seaforth) / Ebbw Vale
Darbyshire- Liverpool / Northwich
Walker- Liverpool / Wakefield / Leicester / Manchester
Corrin- Liverpool / Isle of Man (Douglas / Onchan)

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Re: Northwich???
« Reply #5 on: Friday 26 April 13 20:34 BST (UK) »
It's ok, seems Northwich was a hundred, CPRdb must be either too difficult for me to understand or be missing it. Hoping I can get by with other sites!
Colbert- Liverpool (Seaforth) / Ebbw Vale
Darbyshire- Liverpool / Northwich
Walker- Liverpool / Wakefield / Leicester / Manchester
Corrin- Liverpool / Isle of Man (Douglas / Onchan)

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Re: Northwich???
« Reply #6 on: Friday 26 April 13 21:31 BST (UK) »
1. If you go to GENUKI "http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/chs/parishes.html CHESHIRE TOWNS AND PARISHES", you can find the entry for Northwich. (Bookmark this reference!  :) )

That will tell you that "Northwich was a township in Witton chapelry of Great Budworth ancient parish, Northwich hundred ..., which became a civil parish in 1866." Basically, the church for Northwich was St. Helen at Witton, on the hill over the centre of Northwich. St. Helen, although old, was actually a "chapel of ease" to the parish church of St. Mary at Great Budworth. Normally the major difference between a chapel of ease and a parish church is that btw 1754 and at least 1837, no marriages would take place in the chapel. However, due to the size of Northwich and Witton, St. Helen was one of those chapel that got a licence to carry on marrying couples after Hardwicke's Marriage Act of 1754.

2. CheshirePRDB, while hugely admirable and important, only covers 27 parishes - it doesn't do Great Budworth or Witton (the later spin-off parish of Northwich Castle - see Castle Northwich in GENUKI - is "in progress" but not yet).

3. Your best bet for Cheshire registers is FamilySearch https://familysearch.org/ , who indexed "all" the Cheshire parishes and many non-conformist chapels for Chester Record Office. Where a parish is in both FamilySearch and CheshirePRDB, then use the CheshirePRDB to check the entries as I know they have put a huge amount of care into reading their records. On the other hand, FamilySearch is hugely easier to search!

4. Anyone with ancestry in Northwich may find relatives in the extended format entries of St. Helen, Witton. These start 1779 for baptisms and burials (not marriages) and add details of the parents to burials and grandparents to baptisms. The ordinary registers are in this extended format up to 1813(?). After that, there are 2 sets of registers there - the legal format and the Auxiliary format which is the extended format. The Auxiliary set continue until about 1862 when someone must have asked "Why are we maintaining 2 sets of registers?". However, getting hold of the extra info in the extended entries may be tricky - I'm not sure it can be done without a trip to Chester (theoretically it should be on FindMyPast but there has been a complete fiasco over the digitisation of the double page entries of (most of) these extended registers.)

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Re: Northwich???
« Reply #7 on: Friday 26 April 13 21:41 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much Adrian, that post is really helpful! Getting so confused tonight, even Familysearch is making my head throb. I'm going to come at it again with a fresh eye at the weekend and put your tips to good use  :)
Colbert- Liverpool (Seaforth) / Ebbw Vale
Darbyshire- Liverpool / Northwich
Walker- Liverpool / Wakefield / Leicester / Manchester
Corrin- Liverpool / Isle of Man (Douglas / Onchan)

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Re: Northwich???
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 23 June 13 11:31 BST (UK) »
Hi, Denise,

I have a Jane Darbyshire b 1793 in my tree who married Thomas Shingler at St. Elphin, Warrington on 8th January 1814. Unfortunately, I have no further details other than their two children John b 1817 and Elizabeth b 1818.

Regards, David
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