Susannah Rogers

[avotier]

Can someone advise please i am looking for the birth and parents of Susannah Rogers born about 1840 in Newry Armagh.Is it possible to check the indexes on line for this.

[aghadowey]

Civil registration of births started in 1864 so there will be no birth certificate and you need to see if church records survive.

[avotier]

Thank you for the info no wonder i couldnt find anything.

[avotier]

Susannah  Rogers was born about 1840  in Newry Armagh i know now registration hadnt started,But can i get info on line from indexes for her marriage around 1860 in Dromore Down.

[aghadowey]

No need to start a new topic- I've merged the two and it's now on DOWN board.

What religion was Susannah? Civil registration of non-Catholic marriages started in 1984 but non-Catholic ones (including Registry Office) started 1845.

You can search for extracted Irish marriages (1845-c1881) here (not complete)- taking a quick look at the results there is more than one possiblity so you might need more information to be sure of the correct marriage-
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1584964
Or in the civil registration index (bride and groom listed separately)-
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347

[avotier]

grat many thanks.

[murney]

Ancestry Ireland www.ancestryireland.com is a pay per view website that has some baptisms recorded before civil registration started in 1864 for Counties Down and Antrim.  They also have Roman Catholic parish records for Newry parish, which is split between County Down and Armagh.  You can check their indices for free and there are at least 5 Susan / Susanna Rogers / Rodgers born between 1831 and 1845 in Co Down on this website.  The name Susan/Susanna/Susannah was quite common in South Co Down in the 19th century and spellings of christian names and surnames was not standardised in those days, so Susannah may be down as Susan or Susanna in a baptismal record.

There is a marriage record on this website for a Susanna Rogers in 1861 (father James) but you would have to buy the record to see if it is your Susannah.  There is also one in 1860 but no father's name is given.  This means that the record was taken from the religious parish records where the priest did not record the parent's names, only the names of bride and groom and their witnesses (sometimes the townland/address of the bride and groom is also given, but not always).  Father's names are only given on civil marriage records (Catholics after 1864, Protestant and civil marriages after 1845).

[aghadowey]

There is a marriage record on this website for a Susanna Rogers in 1861 (father James) but you would have to buy the record to see if it is your Susannah.  There is also one in 1860 but no father's name is given.  This means that the record was taken from the religious parish records where the priest did not record the parent's names, only the names of bride and groom and their witnesses (sometimes the townland/address of the bride and groom is also given, but not always).  Father's names are only given on civil marriage records (Catholics after 1864, Protestant and civil marriages after 1845).

Father's name is usually not recorded in the case of an illegitimate child and also it was not uncommon in the early days of civil registration to find mistakes by clergymen filling out register (father just listed as 'deceased' with no name, etc.).

1868 marriage for Susan Rogers (born c1840)- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGZT-5Z7
1866 marriage for Susan Rogers- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGD7-FV7

[murney]

That is true about illegitimate children not giving a father's name on marriage details but in my experience of the ancestryireland records (to which I was referring in my previous post), when the father's name is not listed before 1864 and even after that date, the record usually comes from a Roman Catholic record where the priest did not record the father's name.