The KELLY Family - and Census Lookup Help

[PhotoBob]

Hi,

I am seeking help locating more information on this Kelly family.
The information I have found so far...
The 1861 census has the family list the family in Great Yarmouth -
H/House sch no - 55
Piece - 1192
Folio - 49
Page - 8
John and Mary Kelly as parents, children - James, John, Michael Ann, Catherine, Elizabeth, and Ellen born later that same year.

In 1871 I have managed to locate John and his daughter Ellen in Lodgings, Norwich.
Data - 213 / 1809 / 44 / 34.
John is listed as a widower, so I believe Mary died in 1867, Norwich.

So the question is why can't I find any more information. The above two census' is all I can find.

I would appreciate any help for further information.
Many thanks.
Bob

[CaroleW]

Hi

Would you include birthyears and birthplaces for each family member as part of your post when asking for census or other lookups please - it saves others having to look it up to get the info

Do you have Mary's maiden name and have you found a marriage for them? 

This is the 1861 you mention - all children b Boston Lincs

John Kelly 46 b Donegal agric labourer
Mary  45 b Donegal
James   10
John 7
Michael   8 Months
Ann   9
Catherine 5
Elizabeth  3

Given their ages - it's likely that John & Mary had older children - possibly in Ireland.  They may have only arrived in England after the 1851 census was taken.  The Irish potato famine was at its height at that time and many Irish travelled to England

[PhotoBob]

Hi,

No, I don't know any marriage details.
Someone has posted a tree online and added wife as Mary McDonald.
As I can't say one way or another if that is correct, so really shouldn't use that information.
Not yet anyway?

Bob

[Annette7]

Are you certain these 2 John's are one and the same?

1. The 1861 John born Donegal, Ireland - the 1871 John born Galway!!   These are different parts of the country.

2. The Mary who died in Norwich 1867 was aged 60 and would have been too old to have been having children 1861.

3. Where were all the other children in 1871??

Things don't seem to add up.

Annette

[Annette7]

The online trees conflict!    One has them living in both Scotland and England in 1861!!    One shows wife are Mary McDonald and the other Mary Hart.   

Who is your direct ancestor so we can try and determine which John is yours?

Annette

[PhotoBob]

Hi,

The correct census/data is that in the 1861 census (Great Yarmouth).
Possibly assumed too much for the 1871?

And yes you are quite right - where are all the children?

Bob

[Annette7]

Then presumably one of the children in 1861 is a direct ancestor??   Where did they end up and have you found them on any other census?

I note that although the children are shown as born Boston, Lincolnshire there don't appear to be any births registered for them!!!

Annette

[PhotoBob]

Dear Annette,

Not related at all.
I'm asking this question on behalf of colleague - and she is away at the moment so can't ask questions about direct ancestors.

I also have come to the same conclusion about the births in Boston, Lincs. None of the searches for any parent of child comes to anything when using the 'born in Boston' info!

I can only assume, like other census I have come across, people gave the last place of residence rather than place of birth for that question of the census?

Bob