Hackney burials, Burslem

[Deirdre784]

Hi,

Would anyone be able to look for burials in Burslem of the following children please? All births are recorded on StaffordshireBMD as born in Burslem, surname Hackney, mother's maiden name Gallimore, but just wondering if, by any chance, the burial info would include anything to confirm if they were siblings, children of William and Amelia Hackney. The family was living in Baker's Row, Burslem in 1861 and when William died in 1869.

George Thomas Hackney - born and died Dec quarter 1862 (FreeBMD)
Francis Hackney - born March quarter 1864 (FreeBMD), buried 12 Nov 1865 (FamilySearch)
Prudence Hackney - born and died June quarter 1866 (FreeBMD)
William Hackney - born June quarter 1866 (Prudence's twin?, FreeBMD), buried 27 Oct 1867 (FamilySearch)
Emma Jane Hackney - born March quarter 1868 (FreeBMD), buried 3 Oct 1869 (FamilySearch).

Dad William Hackney died on 28 June 1869, aged 44 (certificate) and was buried on 2 Jul 1869 (FamilySearch).

I don't know if it's significant but the children who were born and died in the same quarter don't have burial info on FamilySearch. Could there be a reason for this, I'm assuming they weren't stillborn as they have a birth record, but is that right? Or could it be that they are different families, and only 1 family group on FamilySearch. Providing Prudence and William are twins, they all appear to fit in the family timescale. 

Many thanks,

Deirdre

PS The older children survived, Hannah (1854-1897), Eliza (1857-1921), and Lizzie (1860-1943). Not found anything yet on Catherine (b 1859) after the 1871 census.

[BumbleB]

I've been to Lichfield Archives today and tried to look for those burials.  They are definitely not at St Paul, nor could I find them at St John    I also looked for baptisms, and coudn't find any.

I did find the marriage entry for William and Amelia 

26 December 1853, St Paul, Burslem by Banns - William Hackney (x), full age, widower, Potter of Burslem.  Father:  Thomas OAKDEN, Brewer.
Amelia Gallimore (x) aged 20, spinster, Potter of Burslem.  Father:  Francis Gallimore, Potter.
Witnesses:  Michael ?Coines? (x) and Mary Heath (x)

I haven't had another look at FamilySearch since my return from the Archives.  It might be an idea to try to contact LDS - if you're in the UK then their headquarters are in Sutton Coldfield - and try to get an answer as to the church from them.

And I think this is possibly Catherine's marriage in 1876

16 April 1876, Christ Church, Cobridge by Banns - Samuel Wright (x) 21, bachelor, Engineer of Gra???lly Buildings.  Father Joseph Wright, Engineer
Catherine Hackney, 18, spinster, Servant of ? Road.  Father William Hackney, Potter.
Witnesses:  Thomas Richens and Ellen Richens

Sorry, the writing was not very good on this marriage entry!!!

[Deirdre784]

Thanks BumbleB,

That was a lot of searching, I'm really grateful. I'll look to contact the LDS and see if they can check the records. Shame there are no baptisms (Amelia was baptised and I think William was too, though there are several Willam Hackneys of the same age - previously discussed, I'll add link asap). 

I have William and Amelia's wedding certificate but thanks for info on Catherine's wedding; her sister Eliza married a Joseph Wright but I've not found his father or other details to know if they were brothers.

Again, many many thanks for all the searching. If the LDS can't provide any more info, I'll add the burials to the list I'm making of BMD certs to buy if I ever win the lottery. Would love to buy them all to get the complete picture but that's not a viable option 

Deirdre

[BumbleB]

I did only look for one or two of the children's burials (and their baptisms) to try to establish the church.  If I'd found any of them, then I'd have looked for all of them!!!!!!!!!

[Deirdre784]

Perfectly understandable! Still meant 2 churches, burials and baptisms, and then the marriages 

[Deirdre784]

Hi BumbleB, I tried the contact us option on FamilySearch and had a fairly quick reply:

Thank you for contacting FamilySearch regarding the burial information for William Hackney, whose burial date is 02 July 1869 in Burslem, Stafford, England.

Thank you for providing the URL for your search.  We were able to replicate your search and to see what you were seeing.  We looked closely in Search Collection and also at About this Collection.  We found nothing more concerning his actual burial location. 

After clicking on About this Collection you will be led to WIKI which gives you additional information concerning the entire collection.  Please read the articles under the heading Known Issues With This Collection and Related Websites.  These articles will give you additional hints as to where you may seek additional information.

Not sure it helps much but at least they looked. Have just discovered an LDS centre less than a mile from my house  so may see if I can order the film and look at it myself. 

Deirdre

[BumbleB]

That may be the best thing to do.  Good luck.

[Deirdre784]

Hi again BumbleB, you may like to see a thread on the beginners board where I asked about viewing films at LDS centres http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,653921.new.html#new

alpinecottage explained how to find the parish for the record - using the film number - and it comes up as:

2 records:
Parish registers for St. John's Church, Burslem, 1637-1947
Author: Church of England. St. John's Church (Burslem, Staffordshire)
Parish registers for St. Paul's Church, Burslem, 1877-1958
Author: Church of England. St. Paul's Church (Burslem, Staffordshire)

So that's a bit of a mystery as they're not there!

[BumbleB]

Oh the joys of the "dreaded" family search    Sometimes they do seem to be a hindrance rather than a help!!!!

I'll have another go the next time I visit Lichfield, probably fairly soon as I've got another assignment coming up.