Author Topic: Old Swinford - details for PERRINS Family and PERKS Family 1700's  (Read 8595 times)

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Re: Old Swinford - details for PERRINS Family and PERKS Family 1700's
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 23 April 16 13:52 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for the info about Elizabeth Perrins, which is very interesting, because I knew that her husband Price was a whitesmith and according to my grandmother he beat her up and she threw herself on the protection of Lt.Thomas Molyneux, at Halifax Nova Scotia, who had joined the Army as an Ensign in the 6th Foot, 27th September 1786 against his father's wishes and had gone out to America. They remained there till 1793 when he was sent to the West Indies as a Lt. in the 1st Batt. Light Infantry and was present at the taking of Martinique, St. Lucia and Guadaloupe. During this time Eliza gave birth to several children all of which were 'natural', because according to my grandmother  William Price was still alive.
The family returned home ( Ireland) in 1794 and Thomas Molyneux was made a Captain Lt. in the 5th Dragoons and purchased a Majority in the Caithness Fencibles in December, with which Regiment he served till the conclusion of the Rebellion in Ireland in September 1798, when he exchanged to the half pay of the 104th Regiment. He was appointed Lt.Col. by brevet on the 1st of January 1800 and placed on the staff of the Severn District as Inspecting Field Officer of the Yeomanry and Volunteers in June 1807 until May 1813, by which time he had become a Major General., living in Monmouth. Meanwhile Eliza was producing more children, (the wives of Thomas Molyneux and his brother John who lived in Ludlow, had thirty two children between them, but only about half survived). I had managed to find an entry of their marriage circa 1800 at Claines, where they were living in Common Hill House at the time and Eliza signs herself with an X. So their first nine children were 'natural' and the rest 'legit'. The children never knew any thing about this till after the death of their father in November 1841, which was the result of a law suit between his sons and the youngest George born in 1813 at Monmouth proved his claim to be the rightful heir.
However according to your information the Perrins seem to be a colorful family too, with plenty of natural children to boot. I wonder what became of William Price. Ellen Perrins, born 1843 and Christened on the 8th January 1843 at Kinver, who was one of the daughters of Samuel Perrins married a Charles Price, living afterwards in Stourbridge.
Thank you again for your input and I wish that my mother was still alive to have know about this, she recently died near 100. Her family were from the Black Country, her gt.grandfather was the political reformer George F. Muntz M.P. for Birmingham.

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Re: Old Swinford - details for PERRINS Family and PERKS Family 1700's
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 23 April 16 22:35 BST (UK) »
The Hare and Hounds, Wynnall Lane, Carless Green, Wollescote, Lye in 1835 William Perrins was the licensee, till 1841 when Joseph Coley took it over till 1845,(William Coley had been the licensee in 1829 -35).Then William Alexander Perrins, who was also a farmer was recorded as being there from 1845 to 1865. In 1870 William Perrins is listed thereafter till 1872. (They may have been the same person). George Newman who was also a blacksmith and wheelwright was the next licensee till 1892.
In Pigotts Directory 1835, Eliza Perrins was at the ladies boarding school Kingswinford; Thomas Perrins was a chain, trace etc. manufacturer in Carless Green, as well as Phillip in Hagley Road; Samuel and his son William Perrins were tailors in Kinfare; William Perrins kept the Hare and Hounds Carless Green and John Perrins kept the Lock Inn Tavern at Kinfare.[ In 1863 the Vine Inn opened opposite on the north bank in competition to the Lock Inn].
There is also a report in the Worcester Journal saying that Thomas Perrins of Careless Green had died on the 24th December 1835 'after a protracted illness, most deservedly esteemed'.
There are more entries mentioning the Perrins in Whites Directory 1851.
Another snippet that I came across a few years ago when researching Elizabeth Perrins was this one.
The Nags Head at No.1 New Street, Stourbridge which was a popular coaching inn, being on the Irish route to Chester, the landlord was a Perrins, whose son Edward and daughter Elizabeth gave evidence at the trail of William Howe for the murder on the 18th December 1812 of Benjamin Robins of Dunsley Bank. [see the ghost of Gibbert Wood].
In the Staffordshire records office there is also a reference on the 17th May 1799 to the pauper Eleanor Doughty living in the rock habitation at Kinver, which had been made by her father Thomas Perrins 50 years previously.
In the 1881 Census Thomas Perrins from the Lye, nailmaker, unmarried and now aged 80 is a resident in the Stourbridge Union Workhouse. He was possibly the same Thomas Perrins who was declared Bankrupt on the 30th April 1860, see the London Gazette 1st. May 1860.

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Re: Old Swinford - details for PERRINS Family and PERKS Family 1700's
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 08 June 16 21:20 BST (UK) »
Hello

Found this on Tony Hitchmough's site - No George but a few other Perrins'

http://www.longpull.co.uk/HBCPdownloads/HBCP%20Stourbridge%203.pdf

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Re: Old Swinford - details for PERRINS Family and PERKS Family 1700's
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 13 August 24 14:32 BST (UK) »
Dear Forum,

I am seeking further information on George PERRINS, married Sarah PERKS perhaps 08.10.1771. Sarah the daughter of Joseph (posible owner of Hare and Hounds Inn at Careless Green, Old Swinford 1740). I have not been able to locate any details on this Inn. Does it still exist as a different name?
George PERRINS founded a Chain and Nail Manufacturing Building in 1770 at Careles Green, and lived in Careless Green House, again I cannot locate this property or any details as to the location of the Factory. I would like to know more about his parents. His son Thomas inherited the business in 1852 when George died.
Any information related to these family lines much appreciated.

I think that a son William (1773-8/3/1836) who was a trace chain maker (chain links to attach the horse to the plough) and married Mary Hart (1775-1831) had a son George baptised at Old Swinford on the 9th April 1824.