Old Swinford - details for PERRINS Family and PERKS Family 1700's

[harr2jas]

Dear Forum,

I am seeking further information on George PERRINS, married Sarah PERKS perhaps 08.10.1771. Sarah the daughter of Joseph (posible owner of Hare and Hounds Inn at Careless Green, Old Swinford 1740). I have not been able to locate any details on this Inn. Does it still exist as a different name?
George PERRINS founded a Chain and Nail Manufacturing Building in 1770 at Careles Green, and lived in Careless Green House, again I cannot locate this property or any details as to the location of the Factory. I would like to know more about his parents. His son Thomas inherited the business in 1852 when George died.
Any information related to these family lines much appreciated.

[miriamkinga]

is this the Hare & Hounds? - http://midlandspubs.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/hare-and-hounds-at-wollescote.html

Best wishes

Maria

[ciderdrinker]

Good Morning
Just a few snippets.
1798 land redemption tax Old Swinford
George Perrins owning and occupying land for 6 ' 51/2 d
Careless Green  House,45 Oldnall Road is a listed building -Dudley council's website.(doesn't tell you anything else)Apparently the history writer Don Cochrane grew up there ,so he might have some old photos.
They is information on the Hare and Hounds Careless Green on the Black Country history website.
Sale details 1920,Letters re the estate of Mrs Isabella Hodgetts estate concerning it.1926.
Also details Thomas Perrins and Company Careless Green takeover in 1953 by Hingley's
Possible baptism for George Perrins Old Swinford 27.10.1734 to Thomas and Margaret.Perrins.
Getting his Will from Worcestershire archives ,if he made one ,may help .You also ask about other wills Perrins in the area,one might be dad.Thomas is in the trade directories from 1820,and there is a burial at Old Swinford  23.4.1822 which may be him.
There is a photo of the works on flickr but it's inside.
The business was supposedly in Perrins Lane.
Seem to remember a series of CD's on Black country pubs by Phil Hilborough? Photos,trade directories,licences etc.I know Smethwick archives have a copy.Should have Hare and Hounds on there.
Not sure how helpful all that is.
Ciderdrinker

[harr2jas]

Many thanks for all details, great info, knew I could get more, regards Jason

[ciderdrinker]

Hi Jason
Went home over the weekend and got out my printed copy of Old Swinford parish records.
Burial for wife Sarah 15.2.1808 age 53 which would make her born 1755,just possible.
Son John bapt 31.1.1776 buried 2.12.1801.
The copy only goes up to 1819 for burials ,so can't give an age for George I'm afraid.
The headstone for Thomas Perrins died 1851 age 67 is still in Old Swinford but no other details.It's section D row g no 13 next to another Thomas died 1879 age 64.George is on row e no 13 no dates .next to a cage burial.
Poor law records
Abel Perks anvil maker(died 17.8.1792).George Perrins gearmaker and Richard Pearson labourer pay a bond of £40 for the male bastard son of Ann pearson born 23.7.1786 .Bound unto Joseph Collins yeoman and Ross? Perry nailor.
1769 George Perrins taken on as an  apprentice by  Joseph Green of Wollaston baker until 21 or married .So he started as a baker's apprentice.The implication is that he is a poor child of the parish.A couple of possible sister Sarah and Elizabeth where apprenticed in the previous couple of years.
Baptism for Sarah Perks  d of Joseph and Mary Perks 25.12.1754.There is a sister Mary 22.101.1752.
There is also a Sarah Perks d of Joseph and Ann baptized 20.3.1744/5
As for George - after much searching
George 11.4.1752 s of Joseph and Millicent Perrins.
Siblings Mark 26.5.1744,William22.3.1745/6 and Joseph 16.5.1749.(married a Sarah <1773  children Mary 7.2.1773 ,Mark 4.12.1774,Joseph 27.7.1777,James 31.1.1779,Millicent 24.12.1780-2.10.1781,George 25.8.1782-11.1.1786 and Nancy 11.6.1786-8.4.1788.)
To be honest I may have missed a few siblings did Perrins 1738 -1768 and Perks just the ones I spotted.
Marriage Joseph Perrins and Millicent Schoble?Noble the ink is awful 23.12.1742
There is a burial  for Joseph Perrins 1.12.1784 age 62.And a baptism 30.7.1720 to John and Sarah born 20.7 1720. There is a family tree online.
I assume you've got George and Sarah's children ,but in case you haven't -Mary 26.12.1773,John 31.1.1776,William 14.3.1779,Betty 29.7.1781,Pheobe and Nancy 29.101.1783 ( died 1783) ,Thomas 17.2.1785,Jemima 1.7.1792 and Nancy 7.3.1795.
Hope that helps
Ciderdrinker

[harr2jas]

Brillant result, much appreciated from Down Under.

[ciderdrinker]

Good Morning,
I felt bad about missing out the PERKS so I went back and did them.
Abel Perks from the bastardy bond turns out to be Sarah's brother.
Baptized 17.2.1758 ,their only other child he died age 34 .Married Mary Wooldridge 9.6.1777  and had Edward 25.1.1778,George 27.8.1780,Esther 2.11.1783-1.2.1785,Esther 2.2.1786 and Edward 27.9.1789.
Possible burials for his parents
Joseph Perks 15.7.1794 age 69
Mary Perk 19.3.1783 age 56
Mary Perks 6.7.1790 age 64.
No gravestones I'm afraid.

Joseph Perrins married Sarah Jones 29.11.1769 wit George Perrins amd Robert Quatermain.
George Perrins and Sarah Perks 8.10.1771 William Perks and William Perrins.
And a friend thinks Millicent's surname is Knoble.
All the best
Ciderdrinker

[G Mlx]

Thomas Perrins of Spennells Stone nail manufacture will is in the Black Country History Dudley archives Ref DBANN/2/1/2 page 113 in the 1904-1913 will book of Bannister and King solicitors Stourbridge 1632-1971.
I am looking for information about Eliza Perrins from Kinver who married  a Price and went out with the Army to Halifax, returning to Kinver about 1800 and married Lieut. Thomas Molyneux from Armagh, at Claines Church. He was my gt.gt.gt. grandfather, his wife Eliza died on the 24th December 1831 in London and is buried in Prestbury Cheltenham.
I have seen a reference to George Molyneux Perrins born 1859, christened 5th May 1859 at Kinver, who married Isabel Rusbage ?, in 1891 at St. Mary's Oldswinford, as well as his sister, who was called Alice Molyneux Perrins. Their father was Samuel Perrins born 1803 at Kinver and died at Kinver in 1871 who was a master Tailor and had married Anne Warr 29th August 1830 at St.Mary's Church Oldswinford. I would be greatfull for any information about Eliza Price nee Perrins.

[ciderdrinker]

Hello
Elizabeth Perrins married a William Price at St Peters Kinver 12.6.1785.
Both were of this parish and William was a whitesmith.
They signed with a cross and witness were Richard Foxall (probably parish clerk) and Thomas Price.

Assuming that Samuel Perrins born c1803 was a relation .
Samuel Perrins baptised Kinver 8.9.1805 illegitimate son of Ann Perrins.

Ann and Elizabeth seem to be sisters.
Ann baptised 17.4.1785 d of Thomas and Elizabeth and Betty 16.4.1769.
Other children Sarah 24.4.1763,Samuel 21.4.1765,Mary 16.4.1773,Thomas 22.3.1777 and William 21.2.1779.
It's possible the couple married at Old Swinford 30.5.1762 and Elizabeth was Elizabeth Hicken but there are other marriages in the area.

Ciderdrinker