Author Topic: Elizabeth Crago - Death conundrum - Liskeard  (Read 3139 times)

Offline Philezra

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 952
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Elizabeth Crago - Death conundrum - Liskeard
« on: Monday 01 July 13 21:53 BST (UK) »
Hi - I'm trying to find out the date of death for Elizabeth Crago, wife of George Crago. I have a hunch that George may have married twice and married an Elizabeth both times.

My George and Elizabeth married on 30 September 1856 in St Austell. On the marriage certificate, her father is John. However, when trying to trace a death, I have come across an Elizabeth Crago in 3/1866, Liskeard (her age ties in as well) - no others match.

There is another marriage for George in 1867 and the birth of this Eliza(beth) is in Tavistock. There is another Eliza with a death in 1906 - If she is born around 1834, it could well be this one - a second wife or not?

Can anybody help with this one?

Phil
thank you 

Offline CaroleW

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 73,606
  • Barney 1993-2004
    • View Profile
Re: Elizabeth Crago - Death conundrum - Liskeard
« Reply #1 on: Monday 01 July 13 22:13 BST (UK) »
How old were George & Elizabeth on the 1856 marriage cert and what was George's fathers name?

Does the 1867 marriage cert show him as a widower and does his fathers details match those on the 1856 cert?


 
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)

Offline CaroleW

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 73,606
  • Barney 1993-2004
    • View Profile
Re: Elizabeth Crago - Death conundrum - Liskeard
« Reply #2 on: Monday 01 July 13 22:18 BST (UK) »
1861 indexed as Crego

Elizabeth was b Tavistock 1837 - indexed as Favertock
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)

Online KGarrad

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 26,692
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Elizabeth Crago - Death conundrum - Liskeard
« Reply #3 on: Monday 01 July 13 22:23 BST (UK) »
Cornwall OPC Database shows:

9 children baptised to George & Eliza Crago: 6 in Duloe, 3 in St Keyne between 1867-1886.
At the same time there were 5 baptisms to George & Elizabeth Crago, all in Charlestown, 4 in 1869 and 1 in 1871.

So it looks like 2 different couples; possibly 3 couples?
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)


Offline JaneyCanuck

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,033
  • The Famous Five take tea on Parliament Hill
    • View Profile
Re: Elizabeth Crago - Death conundrum - Liskeard
« Reply #4 on: Monday 01 July 13 23:29 BST (UK) »
The household that was in Camborne in 1861, transcribed as Crego at Ancestry as noted:

George, 26, "Ivey" (1871 says Fowey)
Elizabeth, 24, Tavistock
Ellen, 5, St Austell
John, 4, St Blazey
Elizabeth Ann, 2, Hayle
Joseph, 1, Camborne

is in Charlestown in 1871, with additional children

Eliza, 9, Camborne
John, 6, Chastown St Austell
Sarah, 5,  "
Emily, 4,  "
Joseph, 1 "

James Allen, 20, brother-in-law of George -- i.e. Elizabeth's brother -- is also in the household.

The Elizabeth in the 1856 marriage was Elizabeth Allen.
Elizabeth in the 1871 census matches Elizabeth in the 1861 census: she is aged 36, born in Tavistock.

So that seems to settle the question of whether Elizabeth died before 1871: it seems not. ;)

The household is in Camborne in 1881 with yet more children:

Mary A., 9
William H, 6
David, 5
and grandson Richard Rule, 2

George has lost a couple of years from his age (he is 43 now) and wife Elizabeth has lost corresponding years, but is still two years younger. Her place of birth says St Austell this time, but I would suspect that is more a function of vague memory/reporting. There is no Elizabeth Crago death or George Crago marriage 1871-1881.
HILL, HOARE, BOND, SIBLY, Cornwall (Devon); DENNIS, PAGE, WHITBREAD, Essex; BARNARD, CASTLE, PONTON, Wiltshire; SANKEY, HORNE, YOUNG, Kent; COWDELL, Bermondsey; COOPER, SMITH, FALLOWELL, WILLEY, Notts; CAMPION, CARTER, CRADDOCK, KENNY, Northants; LITTLER, CORNER, Leicestershire; RUSHLAND, Lincolnshire; MORRISON, Ireland; COLLINS, ?; ... MONCK?

Online KGarrad

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 26,692
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Elizabeth Crago - Death conundrum - Liskeard
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 02 July 13 06:48 BST (UK) »
Crago baptisms:

At Duloe, to George (a miner) & Eliza
6th December 1867,  Eliza Ann, residing at Church Bridge
7th February 1869, Thomas, Church Bridge
17th March 1871, John, Church Bridge
17th January 1876, George, Mead
16th February 1877, William, Benoak Wood
6th July 1879, Richard, Benoak Wood

At St Keyne, to George (a  miner) & Eliza
3rd December 1873, Bessie Louisa, residing at St Keyne, "left the parish"
12th January 1881, George Roberts, St Keyne
2nd January 1886, Mary Elizabeth, Trewidland

At Charlestown, to George (Labourer) & Elizabeth
21st September 1869, Joseph, residing at Holmbush
24th September 1869, Emily, Holmbush
6th October 1869, John, Holmbush
6th October 1869, Sarah Jane, Holmbush
20th September 1871, Mary Ann, Holmbush
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

Offline JaneyCanuck

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,033
  • The Famous Five take tea on Parliament Hill
    • View Profile
Re: Elizabeth Crago - Death conundrum - Liskeard
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 02 July 13 13:15 BST (UK) »
That last batch would be them all right, but the others seem to be someone else's -- and either the couple's earlier children were not baptised or the baptisms have not been transcribed at the OPC site.

The older children actually seem to have escaped registration, as well ...

There could be a discontinuity between the births of Eliza and John (aged 9 and 6 in 1871), John being in the batch of baptisms and Eliza not, except that in 1871, wife Elizabeth certainly seems to be the same Elizabeth Allen as George married in 1856.
HILL, HOARE, BOND, SIBLY, Cornwall (Devon); DENNIS, PAGE, WHITBREAD, Essex; BARNARD, CASTLE, PONTON, Wiltshire; SANKEY, HORNE, YOUNG, Kent; COWDELL, Bermondsey; COOPER, SMITH, FALLOWELL, WILLEY, Notts; CAMPION, CARTER, CRADDOCK, KENNY, Northants; LITTLER, CORNER, Leicestershire; RUSHLAND, Lincolnshire; MORRISON, Ireland; COLLINS, ?; ... MONCK?

Offline Philezra

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 952
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Elizabeth Crago - Death conundrum - Liskeard
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 02 July 13 20:28 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for your help - with Elizabeth being born in Tavistock, I'm now looking to asertain her maiden name/parents. I'm posing this question in the Devon section. I have information of a birth/baptism for Elizabeth AllAn being born in Tavistock with parents John (which ties in) and a Constance VILE (is this correct?)

Phil

Offline JaneyCanuck

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,033
  • The Famous Five take tea on Parliament Hill
    • View Profile
Re: Elizabeth Crago - Death conundrum - Liskeard
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 02 July 13 22:13 BST (UK) »
You might look in the 1851 census for Elizabeth with brother James, who was 20 in the 1871 census (see my earlier post), to see whether they are together with parents.
HILL, HOARE, BOND, SIBLY, Cornwall (Devon); DENNIS, PAGE, WHITBREAD, Essex; BARNARD, CASTLE, PONTON, Wiltshire; SANKEY, HORNE, YOUNG, Kent; COWDELL, Bermondsey; COOPER, SMITH, FALLOWELL, WILLEY, Notts; CAMPION, CARTER, CRADDOCK, KENNY, Northants; LITTLER, CORNER, Leicestershire; RUSHLAND, Lincolnshire; MORRISON, Ireland; COLLINS, ?; ... MONCK?