Julia Venturney née Cooke..... and Jack the Ripper!

[ShaunJ]

but I still can't find 15 Gun street in the 1881 census

Find John Wm Ablett - he's at number 16 in 1881.

Below that it seems to say, on closer examination:

(late No 15) taken in Brushfield Street  now all one premises (No 25 enumerator)

RG11/438/ 76/25

[tilly56]

Strange - definitely Reading!!.. where 15 Gun Street is a curry house!! 

However, I've had a look at street view (in London!!) - as you say, some nice buildings there.

Tilly

[tilly56]

Found it, thank you.... but no sign of Charlotte..

Tilly

[purplekat]

This is a very interesting thread, I have just borrowed a book from the library called Abberline by Peter Thurgood it was published this year.  I haven't started it yet, the inside cover describes Abberline as 'a
devoted husband and a dedicated policeman in a time of rampant corruption'.  I hope this is of some interest, I'm sure it will be to Maddie who mentioned a family connection to Abberline 

[Maddie]

Hi Tilly

Thank you for sharing those certs with us, I've also had a look at Gun Street but to no avail, I wonder if Julia was living with another bloke & using his name. The book that I have been reading goes into a lot of inquest detail for the first murders but not so much for Mary Ann Kelly & I've been trying to match those mentioned on the census, I shall keep at it in the hope that Julia/Lottie shows up. I had no idea that the area of Whitechapel was so awful & squalid in the 1880's.

Many thanks for the heads up on the book purplecat, that's very interesting & I must look out for it. Chief Inspector Abberline was married to my first cousin 4x removed.

Maddie

[tilly56]

Hi Purplekat and Maddie

Julia and her daughters certainly are keeping me busy!

I too wondered whether Julia could be living somewhere with another man and using his name - as it doesn't seem likely that she married Antonio or Harry Owen... or maybe she went back to being called Julia Cook for a while...

I am going to start another thread about Rosina and Charlotte... trying to find info about where they could be buried.

I shall see if I can find the Abberline book when I am in London, I shall also see what else is on offer about Jack!!

Tilly

[Moonlight By Design]

You know you'd get most of the information you are looking for if you joined Casebook.org and asked in the forum!  Most of the research has already been done for you.     Many of the best JTR books out there are written by it's members.  It's widely know as the foremost place for information on this case.

http://www.casebook.org

Juilia's search on CaseBook : http://www.casebook.org/gsearch/index.html?siteurl=www.casebook.org%2Fintro.html&ref=www.casebook.org%2Fdissertations%2Frip-kit.html&ss=&cx=000723952817035431763%3Afcjumimbw7s&cof=FORID%3A9&q=Julia+Venturney&sa.x=0&sa.y=0


Millers Court Consensus 1881 - 1891

http://forum.casebook.org/archive/index.php/t-1764.html

There is scores of information on Lottie and Juilia, well all that could be found anyway.  Also many threads.

Best of luck in tracing your family
Linda