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Leiper - Brighton - Pronounciation variations?
« on: Sunday 21 July 13 14:52 BST (UK) »
Hi, I've had a brain-thought on the verge of sleep about Pronounciation, and of different Scottish place names, and I am wondering if there are any that could be *heard* as something like Brighton, especially to someone who may be unfamiliar with a Scottish accent.

I'm trying to find the birth date and birth location for an Andrew LEIPER (or John Andrew Leiper), sometime in the first 25 years of the 1800's (1813 & 1823 are the birth years I have as possibilities) and the vast majority of Leiper records I can find in the UK relate to Scotland, not England.

I do have another thread on Rootschat looking for this same man, but this thread is more aimed at looking for alternative place names based on pronunciation variables.
At the same time, I am wondering how the surname Leiper would be pronounced in Scotland. My family who knew Leiper members and have passed the name on verbally have pronounced it as "Lee-Per"

Thanks for your help
Surnames: Argent, Baldock, Barnes, Bowles, Carter, Clemons (+var), Crisp, Dawson, Devereaux, Ferrier (+var), Fox, Glascock, Glew, Hardman, Hins ?, Holden, Holes, Holiday, Leach, Leiper, Mabley, Macdonald / Mcdonald, Marshall, Naylor, Paine, Reid, Sandford / Sanford, Siddle (+var) / Liddell, Stagg, Tongue, Vickers, Warner, Webb, Whitehead, Wilcox, Wood.
Locations: England to 1940's, Eastern Australia from 1820's, New Zealand 1870-1910, Scotland to 1880's

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Re: Leiper - Brighton - Pronounciation variations?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 21 July 13 17:42 BST (UK) »
There is a Brightons in Falkirk, Stirlingshire! Alex.
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Re: Leiper - Brighton - Pronounciation variations?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 21 July 13 18:18 BST (UK) »
If the name is of German/Austrian derivation, then it would be pronounced Ly-per.
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Re: Leiper - Brighton - Pronounciation variations?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 21 July 13 21:27 BST (UK) »
"Lee-per" is how it's pronounced here in Aberdeenshire, if that's any help.
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Re: Leiper - Brighton - Pronounciation variations?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 July 13 22:19 BST (UK) »
There is a Brightons in Falkirk, Stirlingshire! Alex.
Seriously?? Oh wow! (wonder why google maps hasn't told me about it)
Will definitely have to find access to records there then! Thanks!

"Lee-per" is how it's pronounced here in Aberdeenshire, if that's any help.
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Oh good! Thanks for that.

Ok, so this makes me think I'm on the right track then switching focus to Scotland, because I'm getting nowhere fast with the other location.
Surnames: Argent, Baldock, Barnes, Bowles, Carter, Clemons (+var), Crisp, Dawson, Devereaux, Ferrier (+var), Fox, Glascock, Glew, Hardman, Hins ?, Holden, Holes, Holiday, Leach, Leiper, Mabley, Macdonald / Mcdonald, Marshall, Naylor, Paine, Reid, Sandford / Sanford, Siddle (+var) / Liddell, Stagg, Tongue, Vickers, Warner, Webb, Whitehead, Wilcox, Wood.
Locations: England to 1940's, Eastern Australia from 1820's, New Zealand 1870-1910, Scotland to 1880's

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Re: Leiper - Brighton - Pronounciation variations?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 July 13 22:21 BST (UK) »
If the name is of German/Austrian derivation, then it would be pronounced Ly-per.

Handy to know, but unfortunately, at this stage, I don't know his parents etc so am completely unaware of his heritage.

My grandmother thought Jewish at one stage, but I don't know why.
Surnames: Argent, Baldock, Barnes, Bowles, Carter, Clemons (+var), Crisp, Dawson, Devereaux, Ferrier (+var), Fox, Glascock, Glew, Hardman, Hins ?, Holden, Holes, Holiday, Leach, Leiper, Mabley, Macdonald / Mcdonald, Marshall, Naylor, Paine, Reid, Sandford / Sanford, Siddle (+var) / Liddell, Stagg, Tongue, Vickers, Warner, Webb, Whitehead, Wilcox, Wood.
Locations: England to 1940's, Eastern Australia from 1820's, New Zealand 1870-1910, Scotland to 1880's

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Re: Leiper - Brighton - Pronounciation variations?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 21 July 13 22:50 BST (UK) »
I would say LEE-PER also as that's how it's pronounced in Ulster- I was told it's of French origin.

Intersting article about the surname-
http://janesroots.shawwebspace.ca/pages/view/1a__the_leaper_name/
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Re: Leiper - Brighton - Pronounciation variations?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 21 July 13 22:59 BST (UK) »
This is possobly not very helpful but...

1841 census of Scotland ( as transcribed on Anc).
There are 387 people called Leiper on the census, and they seem to be located in two main areas.
Lanarkshire: Avondale/Glassford/Stonehouse  (general Strathaven area)
Kincardineshire: Banchory Devenick.

There are isolated others in Aberdeen, Ayrshire and Renfrewshire.

The location pattern hasn't altered very much at 1851 or 1861

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Re: Leiper - Brighton - Pronounciation variations?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 21 July 13 23:04 BST (UK) »
I would say LEE-PER also as that's how it's pronounced in Ulster- I was told it's of French origin.

Intersting article about the surname-
http://janesroots.shawwebspace.ca/pages/view/1a__the_leaper_name/
Thanks, I'll check that link out.


This is possobly not very helpful but...

1841 census of Scotland ( as transcribed on Anc).
There are 387 people called Leiper on the census, and they seem to be located in two main areas.
Lanarkshire: Avondale/Glassford/Stonehouse  (general Strathaven area)
Kincardineshire: Banchory Devenick.

There are isolated others in Aberdeen, Ayrshire and Renfrewshire.

The location pattern hasn't altered very much at 1851 or 1861

Not exactly a popular surname then, theoretically that should make it easier, but at the same time probably makes it a lot harder.
Thanks, I'll have a think and a look around. (I'm guessing Anc is in reference to Ancestry?)
Surnames: Argent, Baldock, Barnes, Bowles, Carter, Clemons (+var), Crisp, Dawson, Devereaux, Ferrier (+var), Fox, Glascock, Glew, Hardman, Hins ?, Holden, Holes, Holiday, Leach, Leiper, Mabley, Macdonald / Mcdonald, Marshall, Naylor, Paine, Reid, Sandford / Sanford, Siddle (+var) / Liddell, Stagg, Tongue, Vickers, Warner, Webb, Whitehead, Wilcox, Wood.
Locations: England to 1940's, Eastern Australia from 1820's, New Zealand 1870-1910, Scotland to 1880's