Jones Family - Newick

[Maxn]

Am endeavouring to determine my GG Grandfather's (George Jones) family. According to Convict records his native place was Newick and it is recorded that his mother was at Newick at the time of his transportation, April 1841. Records state that he he had 3 brothers - Thomas and William, Railway workers and John a sweep.
In addition he had 3 sisters, Catherine and Anne both married and one other - not named.
Any assistance greatly appreciated.
Maxn

[Roy G]

As Jones is quite a popular surname and there seems to be no sign of him in Newick, it would help if we had some idea of when he was born and if you knew the name of his mother who you say was still in Newick when he was transported.

In the meantime, there may be something in following, which appeared on Rootsweb some 8 years ago, which might help, for as you will see, this person thinks he may have been born in Brighton:

I am hoping 'sks' can help me find information re our very very elusive George JONES. ........  Is there anyway of finding out his parents and siblings?  We were led to believe he was born Brighton, stole ponies with a chap Henry STANLEY 12th December 1840 at the parish of Chithurst, and was transported for 15 years to Tasmania.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SUSSEX-PLUS/2005-12/1135834775

In a subsequent message in 2006, a person called Pam gave very much the same info that you have given, but failed to respond when asked to give an approximation of his birth year deduced from the trail documents, his marriage or the actual death certificate that she possessed.
http://searches2.rootsweb.com/th/read/SUSSEX-PLUS/2006-11/1164669655

Transportation details of convicts on the Asia, suggest George was about 20, would that have been correct?
Regards Roy G

[ciderdrinker]

Good Morning
I think I've found his trial 7.1.1841 Western division of County Sessions  15 years transportation for horse stealing .Left on Asia April 1841.He is age 20 so born 1820/21.
Will look for more.
Ciderdrinker

[Maxn]

to both Roy G and Ciderdrinker.
You are both correct. However it is difficult for me to provide detailed dates as:-
Convict record states age as 20 (b abt 18210
Marriage cert states age 27 (b abt 1823)
2nd Marriage states age as 38 (B abt 1826)
Birth cert of son states age 67 ( b abt 1816)
Burial record states age 65 (b abt 1821)

Equally Native place given as Newick ( Convict records)
    "         "                "         Brighton (Birth Cert son)
    "                           "              "       ( Death Cert)

Nothing further is known. 

Sorry Maxn

[Roy G]

As you wrote, the general details on his family are that he had 3 brothers , Thomas, William and John.  John being a sweep, the others on the railway.  Sussex Railway employees called Jones are quite likely to be too numerous to track down, but its worth a try. 
Another record however states his two sisters (Catherine and Anne) were both married, so both should appear on the Sussex Marriage Index, hopefully wedded to someone with a surname that is in less frequent use.  Perhaps you could find the sisters on the SMI and then locate them on the 1851 census to deduce their and possibly George's birth place from that?  Finding them may also reveal who their parents were.

A Catherine Jones who married a Joseph Baly in Brighton 1827, might be worth following up. The couple appeared in Clerkenwell in 1841.
SFHG also have a baptism in Withyham for a John Jones from a travelling family.
    John JONES, Baptism Date   25-Dec 1818, Father John, mother Jane   
   Father's Occupation     travelling chimney sweeper  Abode Hailsham   
   Notes     note ""see April. 9. 1817""     
   Parish     Withyham, East Sussex   
Roy G

[swebby]

Quite possible looking at all the contrary dates that there are two George Jones.

Sean

[Maxn]

Hi Swebby. All the dates have been taken off the original documents of my GG Grandfather George Jones.
Cheers. Maxn

[Maxn]

Thanks RoyG. I see what I can find. The old boy is a bit of a mystery and it is bad luck that he just missed the 1841 Census.
Cheers, Maxn

[Roy G]

There being no baptism, and what appears to be frequent movement from parish to parish, makes the probability of this being a travelling family far greater.  Even if George had been around for the 1841 census, it would have added little to your knowledge for his age may have been rounded down, and in that decade his parish of birth would have only been recorded as Sussex.  All that may have been affirmed is that he was a ploughman as listed in his transportation details, perhaps adding who he was then living with and where.

You write that his mother was in Newick in 1841, have you searched for ladies plus or minus 40 with the Jones surname in that parish around then?  As the transportation record just mentions his mother, where was his father?  Dead or transported himself for some transgression? 

Regards Roy G