Thomas and Elizabeth are driving me mad!

[Annie65115]

Some people have kindly offered some help on this thread:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=655554.0

but I'm no further forward and would appreciate any further help or suggestions. (NB not keen on having to purchase any certificates!)

Elizabeth Brown m John Flynn in Bermondsey in 1906 (cert avail online). Elizabeth's father was Thomas Brown, labourer. From the census I understand that she was born around 1886 in Rotherhithe.

In 1901 she appears to be with her father Thomas and his new wife, Elizabeth nee Millichope. I don't know who Elizabeth Brown's mother was. Thomas m Elizabeth Millichope in 1898 in Southwark (certificate online but sadly Thomas's father's name is illegible!) Thomas's birth details seem to suggest a yob between 1844-49, and pob either Bermondsey or Rotherhithe.

I need to find Thomas and Elizabeth in 1891 to confirm the parentage of either and I cannot, no matter how I phrase the search parameters!

Please can anyone help?  muchas gracias

[tazzie]

  Hi

 one answer to the problem appears in the 1891 census of the Millichope family ....

 William Millichops hd m 50 dock labourer Montgomery Wales
 Elizabeth             wi m 48
 William                son u 20
  Frances              dau u 15
 George                son u 13
 ELIZABETH          DAU U 6                   ROTHERHITHE
 Richard                son u 1
 Adams Gardens
 RG12/381 F 89 P33

 Tazzie

[tazzie]

  Hi

  Thought that could be her but just found mistranscibed an Elizabeth to match the one above
  Elizabeth Millichope servant u 16 Rotherhithe RG13/559 F 29 P50

  Blast

 Tazzie

[Annie65115]

Oh dear

it looks as though Thomas and Elizabeth are even defeating RCers 

[Niceboytiddles]

Hello
I have been banging my head against a related brick wall for some time!  I think that Elizabeth Flynn (Brown) was a relative - either sister or cousin - of my husband's grandmother, Ellen Brown, who was apparently born in Rotherhithe in either 1877 or 1879.  I say 'apparently' because try as I might I cannot find out who Ellen's parents were.  One thing I have been told is that at some point her family had a different surname, possibly something like Braun.  I'll have a look at the marriage you have mentioned of Thomas Brown and Elizabeth Millichope and perhaps that will shed some light.
Best wishes, Alison
 

[Annie65115]

Hello, thank you for your response, I'll be very interested to hear of any breakthroughs you make - the possibility of an anglicisation of another name hadn't occurred to me.

[Niceboytiddles]

Hi
Just a couple of things - I've looked back over some notes I made of my mother-in-law's recollections of her mother-in-law (Ellen Brown) and it seems that she thought Ellen Brown's father was called James.  I see that fits in with the information from your earlier post.  Anyway, I've ordered the marriage certificate for Thomas Brown and Elizabeth Millichope which should help us both - I'll post again once it has arrived.

best wishes Alison
 

[louisa maud]

31/07/4898
 St Mary Southwark
Thomas Brown wid 48 father looks like  James
to
Elizabeth Millichope wid aged 47 father James Haynes
witnesses Edward John King and Eliza Davis

Louisa Maud

[Annie65115]

Louisa, is that from a hard copy of the certificate or an online copy?