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unexplained absence in census
« on: Wednesday 11 September 13 16:11 BST (UK) »
Hi
I am looking to find someone called james reeves who is both absent in the 1841 and 1851 census I have put this topic in the armed forces records because I believe he was in the army. I know for a fact that he married Katherine fox in Ireland there is a record on family search but I don`t know why he is in Ireland coming from Gloucestershire. I also know for a fact that his dad James reeves 1780-1856 was in the forces as in the 1851 census it says pensioner of royal marines.
I would be very grateful if anyone could help me answer this query and also if anyone out there could tell me what royal marines did in the period from 1798 to 1830 thanks
c.b

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Re: unexplained absence in census
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 11 September 13 16:20 BST (UK) »
Here's a link to the marriage extract that you found-
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGF3-CW6

The actual certificate should tell you his residence and occupation as well as his father's occupation.

Here are the details from the civil registrion index you'll need to order the certificate-
Marriage: James Reeves, 1849, Castlerea registration district, volume 3 page 512 (Catherine Fox on same page)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FTB5-PZ6
Note: Castlerea reg. dist. in Co. Leitrim-
http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Ireland-civil-registration.html

However, I'm wondering if it not as straight-forward as it seems- volume 3 would usually indicate a marriage in the Jan./March quarter not August.
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Re: unexplained absence in census
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 11 September 13 16:45 BST (UK) »
Are there any army records which could prove his occupation by giving details about his marriage to Catherine fox

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Re: unexplained absence in census
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 11 September 13 18:49 BST (UK) »
Is this the James Reeves on the 1861 census in Gloucestershire born Cam? with Wife Katherine born Ireland.  If it is then it states he was a Lab(ourer) Greenwich Pensioner which would indicate a Naval background. 

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Lancs: Harrison, Entwistle, Devine, Grundy, Ashworth, Freeman, Jackson, Rushton
Cornwall: Rich, Binney, Peak(e)
Devon: Martin, Walter(s)


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Re: unexplained absence in census
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 11 September 13 19:09 BST (UK) »
yes that's the right census I didn`t spot that part about Greenwich pensioner is it possible that he was in both the army and navy or would him being a royal marine mean he was classed under the navy as I know they were stationed on ships over a period of time. Also what is a Greenwich pensioner
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Re: unexplained absence in census
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 11 September 13 19:28 BST (UK) »
A Greenwich pensioner would indicate he received a pension from the Navy.  A Chelsea pensioner is someone who receives a pension from the Army.  I am fairly sure that a Royal Marine would be classed under the Navy in the time frame, but I stand to be corrected  ;D .

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Lancs: Harrison, Entwistle, Devine, Grundy, Ashworth, Freeman, Jackson, Rushton
Cornwall: Rich, Binney, Peak(e)
Devon: Martin, Walter(s)

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Re: unexplained absence in census
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 11 September 13 20:14 BST (UK) »
So are there any records for this time

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Re: unexplained absence in census
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 11 September 13 21:11 BST (UK) »
there is a james reeves in army pension records for the period with dursley glocs as place of birth , I saw it this afternoon , royal marines records are on the national archives site .
Greenwich was the hospital for all naval personnel and Chelsea for army as it still is .
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amendment  , sorry marines service records on tna don,t start till 1842 so you won,t find him I,ve just looked
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Re: unexplained absence in census
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 12 September 13 02:36 BST (UK) »
Greenwich Hospital paid out pensions to Royal Marines as well as the Royal Navy. A good rule of thumb is that there was one marine for each large gun. On smaller ships a Sergeant or Corporal would be in charge. On large ships there would be RM officers.

Marines would be responsible for law and order on the ship. During a sea battle they were used as snipers. Nelson was lilled by a French marine.

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