morgan

[scott morgan]

hi guys and girls just starting out looking for ancestors in wales all i have to go on is birthcert of my grandfather born 12/10/1894 Vernon Edward Jenkins Morgan at i think it says great northern or western hotel quakers yard father William mother Elizabeth sevenoakes. William was a licensed vignouron at the hotel.Vernon was a merchant seaman did his apprenticeship at st Ives englandand served in ww1 and ww2 in Australia age 47 moved to Australia in abt 1930 +/-  5yrs i would not think the hotel is still standing any info would be great thanks

[Tati]

Hi snmorgan and welcome here,

I don't know if you already have it but this seems to be the 1901 Census entry:

RG13/5022
Folio 144 p. 33
Civil Parish: Gelligaer
Town: Bargoed
(Registration District Merthyr Tydfil)
Cartess? Cross Street

William Morgan, head, 32, Fitter Colliery, b. Mon. Bedwellty
Eliza E, wife, 31, b. Montgomery Llanidloes (?)
Vernon E J, son, 6, b. Glam Quakers Yard (?)
Eleanor Sevenoaks, mother-in-law, wid, 52, b. Montgomery Coombellan (?)

Tanja 

[emilysiobhan]

Hi snmorgan,

Welcome to Rootschat.

I think this is maybe Eliza E (Eliza Emma?) at school in 1881 (found at http://www.familysearch.org)

Emma SEVENOAKS   Boarder      Female      age 11      Llaniddoes, Montgomery, Wales     Scholar
"Ladies School" 9 U Park St Clifton, Gloucester, England
RG11   piece 2481  f 97 page 39

as Sevenoaks seems to be quite an uncommon surname in Wales.

Her mother Eleanor seems to be at her brothers house in 1881:
at 23 Church Rd. Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales are:
David HOLMES   Head  U     Male   30   Llanidloes, Montgomery, Wales      Grocer & Draper      
Richard HOLMES  Brother  U  Male  39  Llanidloes, Montgomery, Wales      Carpenter      
John HOLMES  Brother  M  Male   35      Llanidloes, Montgomery, Wales      Weigher & Storekeeper      
Edward HOLMES      Brother  U      Male  33      Ponterwyd, Cardigan, Wales      Engine Fitter      
Sarah Ann HOLMES  Sister  U      Female  24      Ponterwyd, Cardigan, Wales      Drapers Assistant      
Eleanor SEVENOAKS      Sister  M      Female  33      Llanidloes, Montgomery, Wales            
Annie Florence WALTERS  Niece  U  Female  8      Llanidloes, Montgomery, Wales      Scholar      
Frank HOLMES      Nephew  U      Male  6  Dinas, Glamorgan, Wales      Scholar      
E. C. C. RICH  Serv  U  Female  17  Llanidloes, Montgomery, Wales  Dom Serv

RG11/5302 f 121 p6

So I would guess that Eliza Emma Sevenoaks parents are X Sevenoaks and Eleanor Sevenoaks nee Holmes

Hope this is some help,

Emily

[emilysiobhan]

She is indeed Eliza Emma I think. The North Wales BMD website http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk has the following birth details:

SEVENOAKS   Eliza Emma   Llanidloes Upper   Powys - Newtown reg. year 1869

 

[emilysiobhan]

Hi again,

I think your Morgan family will probably be rather more difficult to trace than the Sevenoaks as it's rather a common name in Wales (I also have Morgan ancestors there and didn't get very far with them yet).

On freeBMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com there is a probable GRO ref. for Eliza and Williams marriage :

Marriages Mar 1892
Chorley    Charles    Cardiff    11a   354   
CORNER    Laura     Cardiff    11a   354   
MORGAN    William   Cardiff    vol. 11a   p.354   
Sevenoaks    Eliza Emma   Cardiff    11a   354   

You might find that it is worthwhile to order this wedding cert. from the GRO in order to confirm the names of Eliza and Williams fathers (and to make looking for William easier).

Whilst looking in the freeBMD I also came across this possible wedding for Eliza"s parents:
Marriages Dec 1868
HOLMES    Eleanor    Newtown    11b   384   
HUMPHREYS    Elizabeth     Newtown    11b   384   
JONES    Thomas         Newtown    11b   384   
Sevenoaks    Edward     Newtown    11b   384   

Newtown reg. district is apparently on the border of Montgomeryshire and Powys

Best regards,

Emily

[emilysiobhan]

Have you tried the IGI in looking for your Sevenoaks?

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true

There is some user submitted info on the marriage ref. from above (which you would have to verify with certs I guess) but it would seem reasonable to explain Vernons middle names.

(I haven't copied it out here in case you were wanting to do some of the looking for people yourself but if you haven't used the IGI before you just need to put Edward Sevenoaks in and you'll find the entry I found. )

Best regards,
Emily

[scott morgan]

Hi snmorgan and welcome here,

I don't know if you already have it but this seems to be the 1901 Census entry:

RG13/5022
Folio 144 p. 33
Civil Parish: Gelligaer
Town: Bargoed
(Registration District Merthyr Tydfil)
Cartess? Cross Street

William Morgan, head, 32, Fitter Colliery, b. Mon. Bedwellty
Eliza E, wife, 31, b. Montgomery Llanidloes (?)
Vernon E J, son, 6, b. Glam Quakers Yard (?)
Eleanor Sevenoaks, mother-in-law, wid, 52, b. Montgomery Coombellan (?)

Tanja 

THANKS TANJA  IS THIS INFO FROM THE CENSUS AVAILABLE ONLINE THIS SEEMS TO BE THEM

[Tati]

Hi snmorgan,

This is indeed my transcription of the official 1901 Census. Please send me a PM with your e-mail address if you're interested in further information.

Tanja   
 

[scott morgan]

Hi snmorgan,

This is indeed my transcription of the official 1901 Census. Please send me a PM with your e-mail address if you're interested in further information.

Tanja   
 
HERES MY EMAIL email address removed please use PM sytem tio share email addresses but whats a PM