Whiting families -- are they connected?

[Marmalady]

I have 3 different Whitings connected in various degrees to my Watson family. I suspect they will be related but am having trouble tracking them very far to sort out a connection, so any help gratefully received!

1 Ann Whiting married Joseph Watson in Olney Bucks 1st Jan 1822. According to the marriage license her father was John Whiting, wheelwright. This makes her born 1793 (bpt 8 Sept 1793 at St Lawrence, Brafield on the Green) daughter of John Whiting & Frances Cave, married Brafield 4 Jun 1781. Dates taken from the old IGI --but i cant find them in the new Family Search
Cannot find John's parentage.

2 Richard Whiting
Joseph Watson's brother Thomas was married to Mary nee Moore. Her sister Keziah nee Moore married as her second husband Richard Whiting at Heyford Wharf on 25 May 1863 (details found on freeReg). Keziah was aged 80 and Richard was 49 !!! Richards father's name is given as Francis Whiting. But i cannot find a suitable birth for Richard.
I *think* i have found him on some censuses, but there are not enough details to be absolutely sure:
1841 In Northampton St Giles, age 25 with wife Jane, children Rebecca, Francis, Sarah & William. Birthdate 1816
1851 In Northampton jail age 39 born Brafield
1861 not traced
1863 marries Keziah
1864 Keziah's sister mary dies. Keziah & Richard described as "of Exhall Warwickshire" in admin of estate
1867 possible death of Keziah in Belper Derbyshire age 84
1871 Richard is a boarder at Exhall, age 59, born Brafield (transcribed as Bradford Northants)

3 Frances / Fanny Whiting
Joseph & Ann's son Noah Watson ran the Globe Hotel in Weedon Bec, Northants. In 1871 amongst the staff was a Frances Fanny Whiting, born 1848 East Haddon. Her parents are William & Lydia Whiting. Fanny William gives his birthplace as Ravensthorpe and a birthdate of around 1812. Again, I cannot find a suitable birth.
There is a William Whiting, son of Ephraim, bpt in Ravensthorpe in 1819 but he matches the death of 9 yr old William Whiting in 1829


So William, Richard & Ann are more-or-less contemporaries, so are they siblings, cousins or coincidences?

[seahall]

Morning Marmalade.

Confirmation of the marriage on the Northants Marriage Index

Brafield on the Green
04-Jun 1781
John WHITING otp to Frances CAVE otp

There is no baptism for an Ann on the date and parentage
you note on the N.B.I only this one.

Brafield on the Green C of E
08-Sep 1793 
Ann d William and Mary WHITING

Sandy      

[seahall]

I wonder if this is John's parent's from the N.B.I.

Brafield on the Green C of E
04-Nov 1759
John s of John junior & Sarah WHITING

If it is this is their marriage from the N.M.I.

Brafield on the Green
11-Oct 1757
John WHITING otp, a minor to Sarah GREEN   otp, a minor      

Sandy   

[seahall]

Also if this is Richard's from the N.B.I.

Brafield on the Green C of E
11-Oct 1812
Richard s of Francis & Mary WHITING

Sandy

[seahall]

The marriage of William and Lydia is on the N.M.I.

Holdenby
13-Apr 1834
William WHITING otp to Lydia EMERY of East Haddon

Sandy      

[seahall]

Maybe this is possible for William's baptism that took place at Brafield
on the 17 Sep 1814 with parents George a blacksmith and Sarah Whitting.

Confirmation of more help you can get from Alan Clarke on my links below
who maybe also be able to help with linking the families up for you.

Sandy

[Marmalady]

Many thanks for those entries, Seahall - they are very helpfull

I will follow up on the link you mentioned too

[Marmalady]

There is no baptism for an Ann on the date and parentage
you note on the N.B.I only this one.

Brafield on the Green C of E
08-Sep 1793 
Ann d William and Mary WHITING

Sandy

thinking about this, i have realised that i am guilty of jumping to conclusions 

My father started the work on the family tree, and i took over when his dementia seriously set in. I must have missed checking Ann's dates / parentage. I remember him noting 3 possible bpts for Ann with a notation that the PR/IGI did not give parents names. We picked this date as it was best fit for the consistent age on the censuses. Then when i got a copy of her marriage licence which mentioned a John Whiting I presumed that was her father and so added his name to the tree without actually confirming the bpt details -- but i guess he could just as easily be a brother.

So -- its back to the drawing board to work out Ann's correct parentage!

so thanks (i think!)