Robert & Lydia (Orford) Robertson

[JMB1943]

I am using the Ancestry website to trace family ancestors in Norfolk.

My gt grandmother (Emily Robertson, b. ~1861, Thetford) was the daughter of Robert Robertson (b. 1820, Stoke Ferry) and Lydia (b. 1831, West Dereham).

Family trees on Ancestry all name Lydia as nee Orford, and self-consistent census data is given together with birth/death information.  However, no marriage info is recorded in these trees.

I have searched but cannot find a marriage of Lydia Orford to Rbt. Robertson; the closest is a marriage of Lydia Orset & Rbt. Robertson in Q3 1852 at Downham.  However, Lydia Orset is not recorded in the 1841/51 censuses.

Could a Norfolk accent have caused the vicar to record Orford as Orset ?

Any input would be greatly appreciated !!

JMB

[lizdb]

My input (for what it is worth) is -
1) I wouldnt take any noticeof online trees unless the owner can produce the evidence to back it up
2) If there are several trees with certain info, it does not make it any more likely the info is correct, as often people just blindly copy info without confirming it.
3) Ancestry can be a brilliant tool, but you may have to use other sources aswell for complete research

And most importantly
4) If you get your gr grandmothers birth cert, it will give you Lydia's maiden name. Then you can be sure you are searching along the right lines and not going off on a wrong track.

[Sharon01]

Hi,
Don't know if you have these.

Lydia Orford baptised on 07/09/1834 at St Andrew Tr, West Dereham
Parents Robert (labourer) & Mary


Marianne Robertson baptised on 12/09/1852 at  St Andrew Tr, West Dereham
Parents Robert Robertson & Lydia Orford

Robert Robinson batised on 15/10/185 St Andrew Tr, West Dereham
Parents Robert Robertson & Lydia Orford

Are these Emily's siblings?

Sharon

[Sharon01]

Hi,

From family search.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VNNP-7GB

Differrent father to the baptism I found.

Sharon

[berkeley]

Hi JMB, marriage of Robert& Lydia is on Family search, England, Norfolk, Lowestoft,Suffolk and Ashby, Parish Registers, 1538- 1900. West Dereham Marriages 1838- 1901, Image 38, It gives you marriage date of 12/07/1852, her name is given as Orford, but she signs....Orfet, Dave

[berkeley]

  It may also be that Orfet is seen as Orset by seeing the  "f" as an old style "s", Dave         

[JMB1943]

Liz/Sharon/Dave,

Many thanks to all for the advice (esp. not to believe everything in a Tree), the solid info and where to go next. Yes, Marianne & Robert are two of the many additional siblings and the occupation "blacksmith" for Rbt. Robertsons on marriage cert. ties in with census info.

The apparent Orford is/is not Orset mystery is solved by you Dave, with the Orfet = Orset transcription at some time.  Explains nicely why Orset is seen neither before nor since (although I did find it in many French records which came up on Ancestry).

Best Regards,

JMB