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Help required in finding my elusive x3 Great grandfather, William Alexander
« on: Tuesday 03 December 13 13:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi,  :)

Might anyone be able to help with this long-standing mystery of mine please?

I have been trying, without success to trace the ancestry of one of my x3 Great grandfathers – William Alexander for a number of years, and am just coming back to with a fresh fair of eyes, yet still seem to be drawing a blank.

He married my x3 Great grandmother Elizabeth Pearson in St. Peter’s (Pro-Cathedral) Church, Liverpool on the 4th April 1858 with the marriage record stating that he was a painter by trade and that his father was one, John Alexander – a Gilder by trade. William and Elizabeth were living (presumably together) in Northampton Street.

I only have him on one census return, this being the 1861 Census (Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2696; Folio: 16; Page: 28; GSU roll: 543014), where he is living with his wife Elizabeth and their young son, William Thomas at No. 5 Torbock Street, Everton. William’s age on the 1861 Census, at 24,  gives an inferred year of birth of 1837, and it states that he was born in Manchester, Lancashire.

His wife appears on the 1871 Census, with a son and a daughter John and Sarah (William Thomas having died in 1862), and is now stated as being a Widow, yet I can find no obvious death record for William between 1866 and 1871 (1866 being the birth year of his daughter – my Great, great grandmother) although I have considered that he may have had to travel to get work, none seem to tie in.

I have also searched, yet have been unable to find any record of William (with his parents) on any of the preceding  census returns for 1851 and 1841 – based on his approximate birth year of 1837…

Any assistance with this would be much appreciated!!!

Regards

Paul
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Bennett-Co. Down, Ireland
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Cox - Shropshire/Flintshire
Cuddy - Liverpool/Ireland
Dunne - Co. Laois, Ireland
Glue -Sussex
Guest - Staffordshire
Hughes - Co.Laios, Ireland
Jordan - Co.Down, Ireland
Lancaster - Cumberland
Manion - Liverpool/Galway, Ireland
Pearson - Cumberland
Vallely - Co.Louth, Ireland

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Re: Help required in finding my elusive x3 Great grandfather, William Alexander
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 03 December 13 14:20 GMT (UK) »
Two of the childrens baptisms on Lancs Opc site
Both at St Peters Liverpool

10 th Nov 1862
John Alexander
Abode-Lambert Street
Born 4th Oct 1862
Father-William occ-Painter
Mother Elizabeth

16th April 1866
Sarah Alexander
Abode-Finch Street
born 7th Feb 1866
Father-William occ-Painter
Mother-Elizabeth

They seemed to use the same church have  you tried contacting the church to see if Williams buried there?

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Amor/Amer-Bromham Wiltshire,Hertfordshire,Suffolk.
Pyett-Suffolk
Wolfenden-Cambridgeshire,Huntingdonshire
Bird,Nash-Essex.
Anderson,-London.Bethnal Green,Shoreditch,Hackney
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Edwards,Roberts,Lane,Price,Williams-Llanelli.
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Re: Help required in finding my elusive x3 Great grandfather, William Alexander
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 03 December 13 14:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Could this be William snr
b1840 Manchester
JAS
20/529

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Re: Help required in finding my elusive x3 Great grandfather, William Alexander
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 03 December 13 14:27 GMT (UK) »
Back again
William death reg ?
Liverpool JFM
1865
8b 73

Also
1871
Bakehouse Lane Liverpool
John b 1863
& Sarah b1866

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Re: Help required in finding my elusive x3 Great grandfather, William Alexander
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 03 December 13 14:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi again
My best bet for Williams Ma & pa
1851 Census
21 Boundry Place
West Derby
Liverpool
Piece 2192
Folio 175
Page 16
Benjamin b 1801 Painter & Plumber (not to far from a gilder) Scotland
Christian b1803 Scotland
Joseph b 1833 Liverpool
Benjamin b 1835 Liverpool
Elizabeth b 1837 Liverpool
Mary Jane b 1839 Liverpool
William b 1841 Liverpool I know it was Manchester But?
John b 1846 Liverpool
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Re: Help required in finding my elusive x3 Great grandfather, William Alexander
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 03 December 13 14:47 GMT (UK) »
Are you sure about that 1861 census?

FindMyPast has the family as Alewood.
Can't find them in Ancestry? ::)
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Help required in finding my elusive x3 Great grandfather, William Alexander
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 03 December 13 14:57 GMT (UK) »
Welsh Lady....

Thanks, they've obviously uploaded those birth transcriptions since I last delved into this.

I have the birth cert for the 1866 Sarah Alexander birth (as well as the birth cert for first born son William Thomas b. 1861 - d.1862), but the information regarding John's 1862 birth/baptism is fresh info so thanks for that  :)

Westmoreland....

Thanks, yes, I have Elizabeth on the 1871 census, living in Bakehouse Lane as you have found.

As regards the 1840 birth record, it's a couple of years out from the inferred 1837, but having little esle in terms of age verification for William, I guess it can't be discounted completely.

However, the 1865 death record can't be him, as his daughter was born on the 7th Feb 1866, which gives a greater than 9 month window between the recorded death and the subsequent birth of Sarah....

The 1851 Boundary Place Census return is not them...the 1858 marriage cert of William and Elizabeth gives William's father's name and occupation as John Alexander, Gilder.

KGarrard....

Yes, the 1861 Census return at 5 Torbock Street is correct, and was ironed out through an exhaustive post on here circa 2007...

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=246205.0

Can you please confirm where the surname Alewood fits in??

Regards

Paul
Arnold - Liverpool
Bennett-Co. Down, Ireland
Clisham-Liverpool/Ireland
Cox - Shropshire/Flintshire
Cuddy - Liverpool/Ireland
Dunne - Co. Laois, Ireland
Glue -Sussex
Guest - Staffordshire
Hughes - Co.Laios, Ireland
Jordan - Co.Down, Ireland
Lancaster - Cumberland
Manion - Liverpool/Galway, Ireland
Pearson - Cumberland
Vallely - Co.Louth, Ireland

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Re: Help required in finding my elusive x3 Great grandfather, William Alexander
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 03 December 13 15:08 GMT (UK) »
KGarrard....

Yes, the 1861 Census return at 5 Torbock Street is correct, and was ironed out through an exhaustive post on here circa 2007...

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=246205.0

Can you please confirm where the surname Alewood fits in??

FindMyPast, Census Reference search for RG09/2696/16/28:
ELENNEY, Ellen W
ELENNEY, Robert
ELENNEY, Edward
ELENNEY, Ellen
KEWLEY, Robert
KEWLEY, Selah
COLEBORN, Robert
COLEBORN, Ann
DARSON, Jane
THOMAS, Elizabeth
THOMAS, Samuel
THOMAS, Mary Ann
SERRIDGE, George
SERRIDGE, Susan
SERRIDGE, George
SERRIDGE, Charles
ALEWOOD, William
ALEWOOD, Elizabeth
ALEWOOD, William J

BROW, David
BROW, Rose
BROW, William
BROW, David
BROW, Martha B
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Help required in finding my elusive x3 Great grandfather, William Alexander
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 03 December 13 15:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

No, this is not the correct family. William and Elizabeth's son was William Thomas.

I have attached a portion of the birth cert.

Regards

Paul
Arnold - Liverpool
Bennett-Co. Down, Ireland
Clisham-Liverpool/Ireland
Cox - Shropshire/Flintshire
Cuddy - Liverpool/Ireland
Dunne - Co. Laois, Ireland
Glue -Sussex
Guest - Staffordshire
Hughes - Co.Laios, Ireland
Jordan - Co.Down, Ireland
Lancaster - Cumberland
Manion - Liverpool/Galway, Ireland
Pearson - Cumberland
Vallely - Co.Louth, Ireland