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Offline StDavids

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Francis Paradice 1766
« on: Friday 20 December 13 11:29 GMT (UK) »
I am trying to sort out details of a Francis Paradice in the Devizes area in the mid 18th century.

Ambrose Paradice appears to have been born  in 1765, & baptised in 1769 in Avebury with father Francis and mother Hester.  (From Find my past , it would appear that these parents were married in 1762).
I think Francis was baptised in Devizes St John in April 1741 with father Frances and mother Ann.
The father Frances I believe was baptised in Devizes in 1712.
There is another Francis Paradice in the area , who married in 1755 and died in Broughton Gifford but I presume this to be a different family.

My question relates to:
On Google there is a reference to a Francis Paradice at Sarum Lent Assizes in 1766 and his appeal against a charge of Larceny.
Searching in Ancestry, "More emigrants in Bondage 1614-1775" it lists

Francis Paradice Jr S Jul 1766 Appeal rejected and TB to Va April 1767. Wi.

I presume this refers to the Francis Paradice born in 1741 and that he was transported to Virginia. 
Does anyone have information on this man and could help me to clarify the court or transportation details? 
Could anyone tell me what TB, and Wi mean in these lists?

Many thanks

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Re: Francis Paradice 1766
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 26 December 13 18:56 GMT (UK) »
Ancestry.ca has a free offer on at the moment (4 days, to Dec 29) that includes Wiltshire parish marriage records, in case you don't have paid access.

There is a marriage for Francis Paradise and Ann Waylen in Stratford sub Castle on 25 March 1735 showing both spouses resident in Devizes.

Francis Paradice and Hester Hopsell/Horsell married 11 September 1762 in Devizes St John, both of that parish.


I wonder whether you saw what I posted in your previous thread

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=665754.0

and in particular

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/10565/pages/3/page.pdf
London Gazette 1765
Fugitives surrendered to the Keeper of the KING's BENCH prison in the County of Surry.
Ambrose Paradice, formerly of the Parish of St. Olive [sic] in the County of Surry, Victualler, late of the City of Bristol, Mariner and Ship Carpenter.

That Ambrose seemed to have married in 1762 in St Olave.

The coincidence in time -- the 1765 surrender of that Ambrose (no info about the offence) and the 1766 appeal by the Francis you are asking about (theft of a bill of exchange of £100 value) -- just seemed possibly interesting, but is likely mere coincidence.

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Re: Francis Paradice 1766
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 28 December 13 19:51 GMT (UK) »
I'm going to copy the nice message I have received from StDavids into the thread for coherency, and then add a couple of thoughts.

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Thank you so much for your interest and help with my questions about the Paradice family genealogy.

I had worked out many of the details you mentioned in your helpful replies through a combination of The Genealogist, Find my Past and Ancestry. (I haven't yet been to Wiltshire archives to confirm things on the original sources).  But then I get stuck and need help as I'm not sure whether I am making correct interpretations and that’s where it is so helpful to have someone else thoughts.

This is my current working model.

Firstly Ambrose Paradice who died in Bristol in 1843. I have a copy of his death certificate giving his age as 83 which would make him born in 1760. I have looked exhaustively for an Ambrose born in that year (using all the helpful potential lines you previously suggested) and I can't get them to tie up in the right time frame. The only evidence that gives us 1760 is the death certificate, where the death was registered by an Ann Wood (“present at the death”) and my working hypothesis is that she gave the age inaccurately and that he is the Ambrose Paradice  baptized in Avebury in 1769, born 1765.  I presume him to be the one who is subsequently a baker and marries in Corsham in 1793, but  I need to find something that ties the Corsham Ambrose  to Avebury.

The Avebury Ambrose’s parents were Francis and Hester married in 1762. There is an older brother James born 1763, who has  lots of Avebury Paradice descendants subsequently. Hester would appear to have been buried in Avebury in 1790; I can find no reference to Francis's death in the UK.  There are no children of Francis and Hester post Ambrose.
If you search Google using"1766 Sarum Assizes Francis Paradice" you will come to a reference to a Francis Paradice Jr losing his appeal on a charge of Larceny -he seems to have stolen a bond belonging to Devizes draper and from other sources appears to have been transported in 1767 to Virginia. This was what my 1 question was about -i.e. What does TB and Wi mean in the transportation records. (I have no clue about TB but think Wi may mean Wiltshire.  The fact that there are no children post 1765 would be explained by his transportation, which might also partly explain the delay in baptism until 1769. It doesn't quite explain the fact that Francis would appear to live in Avebury and the one charged with larceny is from Devizes but I haven't seen the original court records and I gather that the residence may often be approximate in those.

Francis Paradice was born 1741 with parents Francis and Ann married in 1734. The older Francis was born in 1712 with parents Richard and Dorothy. I think they were married in 1705 in Yatton Keynell and that he was a tallow chandler as there are apprenticeship records for a Richard in Devizes; Richard died in 1739, Dorothy 1752, both in Devizes.
My next quest is to trace this Richard Paradice’s origins. There is a Richard born in 1693 but that appears too young to be married in 1705.  Another is born in 1661 in Devizes –a possibility but I suspect too old unless it was a second marraige. Any suggestions?

Thanks again for your help so far with my quest, and I would really welcome any more suggestions both in tying Ambrose between Avebury and Corsham, and in Richard’s origins..

Happy New Year.
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Re: Francis Paradice 1766
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 28 December 13 20:02 GMT (UK) »
Wiltshire Wills site:

http://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/heritage/

 P1/P/728 - Administration bond, renunciation, will - 1739 - Paradice, Richard - Tallow-chandler - Devizes

The will can be purchased on line; have you seen it? With luck, it would name children.

There are 51 Paradice wills identified there (there will be some duplication, with inventories and bonds and such). They include

Francis (senior) 1707 Devizes (too early to be father of Francis 1712? unless late baptism)
Francis 1722 Keevil
Ambrose 1727 Melksham
Francis 1785 Broughton Gifford


(one of my ancestral families spent many generations in a village in Wiltshire before the sole surviving male of the clan, from what I can tell - my grx3 grfather - married and had his son in Bristol c1820 ... at least yours didn't then wander off to Scotland where it never occurred to you to look for him, until you gave up after a few years of hunting and somebody on line found him for you there, remarrying in Edinburgh nearly 20 years later!)
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Re: Francis Paradice 1766
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 28 December 13 20:13 GMT (UK) »
In the 1841 census

Ambrose Paradice
aged 76 - born c1765 not in county
St James Out and St Paul Out, reg dist Clifton, Gloucestershire
independent means

others in household:

Elizth Cook, 86
Martha Paradice 22, born in county
Ann Paradice 25, not born in county
Charles Osborne, independent means
Ann Triscott, 14, servant

Ambrose's name was corrected in 2012 by a user at Ancestry. Is that a person you are in touch with?

If he was actually 83 in 1843, his year of birth would have been rounded up in 1841 to 1761, not 1765 - giving age 76 rather than the rounded 75 makes it look like he was being accurate.

So the 1765 birth / 1769 baptism for that Ambrose seems quite plausible.


https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NFRZ-S1M

baptism of Martha Paradice, daughter of Ambrose and Elizabeth, Nov 1814, Bristol.
That would have made her 26 in the 1841; given the odd order of the names by age, I wonder whether they got switched?

There is also daughter Elizabeth born 1812 Bristol (died 1813), and there are births to an Ambrose and Elizabeth couple in Corsham, Wiltshire:
John 1797 (mother Betty), Ambrose 1800 (mother Betty), Elizabeth 1802, Ann 1804, William Perry 1806, Francis 1807.

Wife was likely Betty Toors, married 1793 Corsham:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NK3P-LGH


Of the Corsham-born children, possibly:

in 1841, Francis Paradice c1811, not born in county, is in Bedminster (mistranscribed Frances at Ancestry); his son Ambrose 1839 was baptised in Bristol:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTQV-YQJ
... Ah, here we are: in 1851 they are Parradice at Ancestry, Elizabeth born Bristol, widow of Francis, all children shown as born in Bristol.

in 1851, John Paradice c1803(?), born in Corsham, is in Bedminster.
(He was a good bit younger than his wife so might well have added to his age.)

These do support a move from Corsham to Bristol for Ambrose 1765 and family, and seem to provide the link you need to show that the Ambrose from Corsham was the Ambrose who died in Bristol.

This could be the death of Ambrose 1765's wife in Bristol:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTQN-ZL3
Elizabeth Paradice, buried Jan 1834, aged 60 (c1774), Bristol St Mary Redcliffe.
(This would have made her 19 at the 1793 marriage, or older if the age 60 was rounded down -- but young age at marriage would mean that Ann and Martha in the 1841 could be her children, despite the fact that by 1820, Ambrose was 55 years old.)

edit - what you were actually after was the Avebury-Corsham connection rather than the Corsham-Bristol connection ... but the 1841 age of the Ambrose in Bristol may help in any event.
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Re: Francis Paradice 1766
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 28 December 13 21:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi Stdavids,

Taken from the Wilts FHS Marriage Licence Bonds CD;
#25064 Francis Paradice, 21, Devizes, Wilts to Hester Horsell, 22, Devizes, Wilts
Bondsman?; Frances Brittain 15-9-1762
The Devizes St.John the Baptists  transcripts say Horsell [or Hopsell] 11-9-1762

also from the Wilts FHS Baptisms CD for Avebury there are these baptisms;

20-3-1763 James Paradise s/o Francis & Esther
8-1-1769 Ambrose Paradice "       "           "       (born. 8-10-1765)


Hope these help.

Alan

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Re: Francis Paradice 1766
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 28 December 13 22:31 GMT (UK) »
Back to the Richard who married Dorothy Child in 1705 in Yatton Keynall and had son Francis in 1712:

Dorothy Child was baptised in 1677 in Yatton Keynell, parents George and Dorothy:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J3P1-Q61

as a rough guide to Richard's age -- not likely younger than that, but keep in mind that baptisms were sometimes late.

Her age at marriage -- pushing 30 -- does make it possible that the Richard born 1661 was the groom in 1705, possibly his second marriage.

The first child of that marriage, Dorothy, was christened in 1706 in Devizes:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N67Z-M2F
and there were also Mary 1707, Rich 1709, Shus? 1717, Jane 1719 (at which point Dorothy was 42), all in Devizes (FS doesn't show Francis 1712, but he fits).

The 1739 will of Richard the tallow chandler could be of assistance.
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