Does this say Mary E Douglass?

[Ladyhawk]

Although we haven't found anything else for your Mary E Douglass - hoping that somewhere along the line we may get a breakthrough by looking at the Newby / Walker families

You may need to obtain a certificate or two for confirmation when you are certain you have the correct people that relate to your family

for info. this looks to be James Walker who married Ann

Charles Walker age 1 with parents James occ Coachman & Ann living Ford St  Salford HO107; Piece: 585; Book: 6; Civil Parish: Salford ED 8; Folio: 31; Page: 7;

10 Oct 1841 Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Charles James Walker age  23 months f James occ Coachman m Nancy
Abode Salford, also a Bapt. on the same day to same parents Caroline Walker

The name Nancy is a variant of Ann

1846 Sarah Ann f James Walker occ Coachman m Ann
born 20 Aug 1844
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NY2G-VFN

marriage 14 Nov 1838
 James Walker coachman  Gt Ducie St Strangeways f James Lab.
Nancy Harrison 1 Stanley St Salford  f John stonemason
Both single, both f/a both signed Witness Samuel & Ann Hall

It just shows how you need to study the census entries closely… I'd been looking for Elizabeth Newby born in Leek, until you pointed out it's Lech/Leck in Westmorland! Thank you!

I've been looking at Leek thinking that Leck was a spelling mistake  but then remembered I'd seen Elizabeth's pob as Westmorland on 1861 so looked again

from Genuki
LECK, a township-chapelry in Tunstall parish, Lancashire.....and on the Ingleton railway, adjacent to the boundaries with Yorkshire and Westmoreland
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Leck/

[Poppyjoey]

I ordered the MC for James & Elizabeth yesterday. Although I feel certain the marriage you found in 1856 is the correct couple.

I also found the possible 1840 census entry you've referred to. Also, I found an 1851 entry, with James 1816 a coachman,  Ann 1815, Charles 1840, Sarah A 1844, James 1847 and George 1850. James and George are on the 1861 with their 1/2 siblings who James had with Elizabeth.

I had got nowhere with this branch for over two years until the last couple of days when I stumbled across my G Grandfather William Walker in 1881, as I knew he was a confectioner, and luckily this wasn't a common profession. But he was listed as Wm and it never came up as William, I should have thought to look for Wm! But we learn as we go along. All I knew was his father was called James. Since I found him, it's opened up all these possibilities to check out. It's great to get help, as sometimes it's easy to look at one entry and get carried away, as I did with assuming Elizabeth was born in Leek!

[Ladyhawk]

I ordered the MC for James & Elizabeth yesterday. Although I feel certain the marriage you found in 1856 is the correct couple.

I'll keep my fingers crossed that it's the correct one - if you don't mind when you receive m/c would love to know if it's the correct person 

seeing as Elizabeth Walker claimed Mary was her grandchild on the 1881 (a Nuby - Newby? is also on this census, lends weight to Elizabeth being a Newby)

I wonder if the Wm Nuby born 1858 Fleetwood on the 1881 census occ Compositor with Elizabeth Walkermight be the son of James Newby & Ann  see 1861 census RG 9; Piece: 3150; Folio: 91; Page: 11
William age 3 (1858) born Fleetwood not seeing a William Nuby born Fleetwood

1891/1901/1911 William Newby born Fleetwood married to Ann/ie and living with his family Isle of Man
1891 RG12; Piece: 4689; Folio: 59; Page: 5 occ Foreman Printer
1901 RG13; Piece: 5303; Folio: 103; Page: 5 occ Printer Stationer & Tobacconist

ADDED a possible match for his marriage
FreeBMD marriage 1881 Flyde
William Newby to Ann Johnson

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NX1C-SZY
1881 marriage William born 1858  father named James

[Poppyjoey]

I'll definitely let you know when I get the MC. I really hope it's the right couple!

I didn't expect 'Nuby' to exist as a real name, but it does, however, I would think it's Newby in this circumstance, would you?,  and it is Elizabeth's nephew. Everything ties in, though I know this doesn't mean anything is definite…...

[Poppyjoey]

I've received the MC for James Walker & Elizabeth ….Newby! Everything ties in …. he was an omnibus conducter, a widow, aged 40. Ties in with birth c1816 I have for him in the censuses, also being married before, father was also James, a turnkey (prison warder). Elizabeth was a 29 year old spinster living in Salford at time of marriage.

I'm really pleased…..

Thanks so much for your help with this.

Julie