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Re: William Rufus Diamond
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 04 January 14 20:22 GMT (UK) »
Glad to have been of help, please let us know the outcome

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Re: William Rufus Diamond
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 04 January 14 20:28 GMT (UK) »
Another scenario, I noted that there is 10 age difference between Joseph  and Matilda, I wonder if William was her child, before she married Joseph, and William has taken his surname

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Re: William Rufus Diamond
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 05 January 14 09:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Who was the informant on Josephs death record

Also this may be Joseph christening record

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NRC6-B42

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Re: William Rufus Diamond
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 05 January 14 10:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi

This the only Joseph and Matilda marriage I could find, not the right area, but may be worth a check

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVQD-X51

A bit more info on this, Joseph is a widower, Matilda a Spinster, Witnesses George Rogers and Ann no surname

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Re: William Rufus Diamond
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 05 January 14 13:42 GMT (UK) »
Good afternoon Marge,
I have just read your latest email. I have been worrying all morning about the 10 year age gap between Joseph and Matilda and reviewing all my sources.

It is very nice to hear from you again and to know you are still on "my case".

The informant on Joseph's death cert (30 Oct 1863 at Matfield Brenchley) is written as follows:

+ Mark of
Jane Swan
Inmate
(Deceased being occupier)
Matfield Brenchley

The cause of death is marked as "Found dead in bed"

By the way, I wonder what the difference is between an inmate and an occupier: owner .v. sharer / tennant perhaps?

Thanks for the possible christening record. It may be significant because I believe (but not 100% confirmed) that Joseph was married twice: 1st as a batchelor to a Keturah Rogers in 1813 at All Saints, Fulham, Middlesex, and then as a widower to Matilda Green in 1826 at St Mark, Kennington, Lambeth, Surrey. I have found copies of the original banns. It has always worried me that these banns were not recorded in Brenchley or at least somewhere in Kent and so I have not given them too much importance.  The interesting thing now is that one of the witnesses at Joseph's marriage to Keturah was a Frances Diamond. The others were John Rogers Junr., William Rogers and Fanny Trimbleby. The mention of Frances Gibbon as Joseph's mother is therefore very interesting.

Strangely, even with an unusual name like Keturah, I have not been able to find either a birth/baptism or a death record.
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Re: William Rufus Diamond
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 07 January 14 12:56 GMT (UK) »
A Keturah Rogers was baptised 6/4/1787 Little Chart, Kent, dau. of John and Keturah.

Similar age to Joseph.

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Re: William Rufus Diamond
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 07 January 14 13:26 GMT (UK) »
I note that witness to the marriage of Joseph and Keturah were John Rogers, jnr and a William Rogers.

A John Rogers married a Keturah Palmer 4/10/1781 Egerton, Kent (familysearch)

John Rogers bp.21/8/1782 Pluckley, Kent son of John and Keturah
William Rogers bp.8/3/1784 Little Chart, Kent son of John and Catherine (??)
Sophia Rogers bp.17/4/1785 Little Chart, dau. of John and Ketura.
Keturah Rogers bp.6/4/1787 Little Chart, dau. of John and Keturah.
Owen Rogers bp.25/5/1788 Pluckley, Kent, son of John and Keturah.

So we have a John junior and a William as brothers to Keturah and all 3 places mentioned above are adjoining parishes - their father another John. 

Keturah goes to London to work and meets Joseph?

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Re: William Rufus Diamond
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 07 January 14 13:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Do you think that this could be Keturah?


Keturah ROGERS
6 Apr 1787
Little Chart, Kent
Father:  John
Mother:  Keturah
Notes:Prvt Nov 29,Ch This Date


There are also these baptisms which could be the same family,


John ROGERS
21 Aug 1782
Pluckley, Kent
Father:  John
Mother:  Keturah


Wm ROGERS
08 Mar 1784
Little Chart, Kent
Father:  John
Mother:  Catherine
Notes:B Same Day

(I cannot see the image so I can't tell if Catherine is really Keturah)


Sophia ROGERS
17 Apr 1785
Little Chart, Kent
Father:  John
Mother:  Keturah


Owen ROGERS
25 May 1788
Pluckley, Kent
Father:  John
Mother:  Keturah


Possible marriage of parents,


John ROGERS
Keturah PALMER
04 Oct 1781
Egerton, Kent


This family would fit with the witnesses at Keturah's marriage to Joseph Diamond, her brothers John and William.


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Re: William Rufus Diamond
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 07 January 14 13:44 GMT (UK) »
For what it's worth, a "George Rogers" was a witness to the Joseph Diamond/Matilda Green marriage in 1826.

The other witness, written below, was "Ann". No surname given for her - not sure whether she meant it to be read as a ditto of Rogers.
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Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
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