William Rufus Diamond

[MargP]

hi
found this earlier today but dismissed it but will post it anyway as you,ve mentioned brenchley  civil service evidence of age records .
William diamond ,
dob mar 1828
bpt brenchley kent
regards
trevor

Me. too Trevor

[londonscorpion]

Marge
That is absolutely brilliant. It definately is the right Sarah Anne: Frances was born in Birr Kings County, Ireland. William Rufus was stationed at Templeton in Tipperary where Edward Adolphus was born. I have both birth certificates, so I am sure of this. I also have all the details for Edward and Mary Towner. Actually she had 10 children, but the last two did not survive.

Occupational information I have on William's father, Joseph, is varied:
1841 dealer (census)
1851 poulterer (census)
1861 rigler (census) - I have no idea what a rigler is !!! but then I could not really interpret the census writing.
1863 dealer in chickens - formerly a farmer (his death certificate)
1885 butcher (marriage certificate of William and Amy)

HI t mo
Re the CSEoA: I have also found this but I am waiting for the original document before accepting it I am hoping this will be some form of birth certificate

Now for William's birth certificate. I would expect to find this in a Parish register but I don't know where to begin on this one (Unless the CSEoA turns up trumps.

[MargP]

Hi

This looks like the marriage for Sarah Ann

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGNF-SPV

Is there any occupation for Williams father

Margp

Hi, I have just found this one with more information

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGFH-YC4

[avm228]

There won't be a birth certificate because civil registration in England wasn't introduced until 1837.

If he was baptised the baptismal register may or may not record his date of birth. The availability of baptism registers depends upon date, place and denomination.

I suggest you post on the Surrey board and see whether you can get a Dorking parish register lookup. Perhaps also on the Kent board for Brenchley. Include a link to this thread so that people can see the background and it will avoid duplication of work already done.

[MargP]

Hi

What about this one, may be a late christening, and added Rufus later

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NRC6-KVM

Margp

[londonscorpion]

Marge
I had previously calculated the date of Sarah Anne's marriage from the birth certificate of her first born, Frances Isadore Matilda. Wrongly I was assuming that the birth would be around 9 months after the date of the marriage.

Thanks a million for the second Family Search link. Abolutely brilliant. Many many thanks. Drfinately confirmed.

Hi avm 228
Given that there is a CSEoA record I presume there must be some sort of original document in existance. But thanks for the tip which I will follow. I presume you mean the Surrey and Kent board in Roots chat? What is the procedure to link to this thread?

[avm228]

It looks as though Kent should be your priority rather than Surrey, given the Brenchley baptism extract.

Just copy the URL for this thread from your browser and paste it into your new post on the Kent board so that people can click through to this thread and see the info already found as background to your lookup request.

[MargP]

Hi

"1st to Sarah Anne ? around 1851 (calculated from the Census 1851 Brenchley, Tonbridge HO107-1615-429-18 (Joseph Diamond)).Joseph, I believe, was her father in law"

Defiantly her father-in-law, on the original census it states Wife of Son

Margp 

[londonscorpion]

Hi all,
Now all that remains (for the time being !!!) is the question of William's birth place (Dorking in Surrey).

This was amv228's contribution:

William diamond,
dob mar 1828
bpt brenchley kent

dob Mar 1828 (OK but where ??);  bpt Brenchley, Kent ( I think marge has found the transcript for this but I would like to see the original document before a 100% acceptance. Since I live not too far from Brenchley this may not be too much of a problem.

A most rewarding first experiance of RootsChat.
Thanks to all, et a bientot.