Help needed to get to the bottom of a family scandal?

[Judy Pengilly]

My Grandad, Frederick Cardell Pengilly, arrived from the UK on Ellis Island in 1911 off of the "Philadelphia" and worked for several years in Bingham Utah with other members of the family (Carkeek). 

In 1917 he joined the Canadian Railway Troops and served in France until 1919.  Here's the SCANDAL he met a girl (who became my Grandmother), Phillippa Mary Blanche Cole, probably whilst on leave from WW1 at the family home in Cornwall.  He, post leave obviously returned to canada for demob and then on to Miami, Arizona.  Grandmother then turns up, 6 month pregnant on Ellis Island in November 1919 off of the "Adriatic"

I believe he probably met her and married in New York, but did he?  Or did he marry her in Arizona? Cannot find any evidence of marriage any help appreciated

[liverpool annie]

Looks like he got married in Cornwall but not to Phillippa Mary - do you know the other wife?

Name       Pengilly, Frederick Cardell
Record Type       Marriages
Quarter       December
Year       1891
District       Redruth
County       Cornwall
Volume       5c
Page       842

Does the name Charlotte Scoresby Lockwood b. 25/10/1878 mean anything to you? - maybe I should have asked for his birthdate first.....

Annie

[KarenM]

Here's a copy of his attestation papers upon joining the Cdn. Army in BC.  Looks like he was born in 1892.  He gives his mother as next of kin in 1917.

http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc013/573000a.gif

When she arrived in NY did she use her maiden name or married name?

Karen

[liverpool annie]

Hi Karen!

The one I posted was named Frederick Cardell Pengilly - obviously he's the wrong one - was that his father?

Annie

[KarenM]

Hi,

It only lists his mother, Elizabeth Jane as next of kin.  Perhaps his father has passed away by this point.

If Charolette was that Frederick's wife, then must be the wrong one?

Karen

[KarenM]

I see now she was not married when she arrived.  Wow, if he met her in NY, they could of got married anywhere between NY and Arizona.  I guess you would just have to figure out the route they would have taken in 1919 to get to Arizona and check what States they would have went through.  Sorry, not much help.  At least you know it's not all the states, only maybe 8, since you ruled out New York and Arizona.

Karen

[liverpool annie]

OK Karen

I'm starting from the begining!

1871

Elizabeth Pengilly  1842 Gwennap, Cornwall Wife St Columb Minor Cornwall
John Pengilly  1847 Kea, Cornwall Head St Columb Minor  Cornwall

1881

Elizabeth Pengilley  1844 Gwennap, Cornwall Wife Helston Water, Kea, Cornwall
Frederick Pengilley  1873 Kea, Cornwall  Son Helston Water, Kea, Cornwall
John Pengilley  1839 Kea, Cornwall  Head Helston Water, Kea, Cornwall
Mary Ann Pengilley  1878 Daughter Helston Water, Kea, Cornwall
Richard Pengilley  1875 Kea, Cornwall  Son Helston Water, Kea, Cornwall
William Pengilley  1871 Kea, Cornwall Son Helston Water, Kea, Cornwall 

1891

Elizabeth   Pengelly Wid      Head age 37 b. Gwennap
Frederick       "                   Son  age 19
Richard          "                    Son  age 17
Mary Ann     "                     Daughter age 13
Carolyn        "                     Daughter age 9
John            "                     Son age 6


This is where it gets weird

 1901
Julia Mennea 1879 Camborne, Cornwall Servant Falmouth  Cornwall
Edith E Pengilly  1882 Mexico Daughter Falmouth  Cornwall
Elizabeth Pengilly  1850 Gwennap, Cornwall Head Falmouth  Cornwall
Ethel Pengilly  1888 Mexico Daughter Falmouth  Cornwall
Isabel Pengilly  1890 Mexico Daughter Falmouth  Cornwall
 
I believe they are all Elizabeth - but birthdates vary - and children in 1901 were all born in Mexico ..... do you know about them???

I have the images - if you would like to PM me with your email address (for privacy) I could send them and you can decide for yourself .... 

Of course I haven't answered your original question but I want to make sure we have the right family - I believe the Frederick you mentioned at the beginning
is a different person.....

I also have a copy of his WW1 registration card - so let me know what you want to do and we'll go from there!!

Regards

Annie

[Judy Pengilly]

Wow thank you Annie and Karen for showing an interest thats marvelous because I realy have hit the wall!!!

I have been a little cheeky posting on this thread because I initially asked my first question on the beginners thread. (Pengilly) If you go and read that one it will explain a little more and the mystery will deepen, I promise, even the TITANIC comes into this one.......

When I say I am trying to find my Grandad its true, thats the purpose of this thread.  I can trace him until the 1930 Census then he disappears off the face of the earth.  But I know he met (obviously - 6 months pregnant) my Gran straight after WW1, I would think while he was on leave whilst awaiting demob and passage back to Canada.  He went to Arizona and obviously kept in touch with Blanche who informed him of his future fatherhood!!!  She turns up,  (her father pays for passage) in USA at Ellis, BUT at some point he married her, I thought possibly in NY on arrival or along the way but where?

I promise this has all the ingredients of an Edwardian novel....... please any help is very very much appreciated.

Judy

[liverpool annie]

Hi Judy!

I sent your stuff - let me know if you get it OK?

Regards

Annie