Haworth Marriage c1810

[Pamela21]

Can any one find a marriage between Simeon Sunderland and Susan in Haworth around 1810 or earlier. The first child I can see baptised is Martha in 1810, followed by John 1814, Mary, 1816, Lazarus 1818 and Benjamin 1820. Susan died before 1841 and then he married Betty in Bradford in 1842.

[DORAN54]

hi and welcome to roots chat,I can see his 2nd marriage to betty stell 10 jan 1842 shows him as a widower

[Pamela21]

Yes, I found that but can't see any first marriage to Susan in Haworth. I've tried Family Search and wondered if it was on Ancestry but I haven't got enough to look up on there.

[DORAN54]

ancestry is where I searched  only one simeon  that I can see and that's  his 2nd marriage no other simeons

[BumbleB]

Hi, and welcome from me too!!  On the second marriage entry Simeon gives his father's name as Lewis Sunderland, a Weaver.  Not that that helps too much, because I can't see, on Ancestry, any children baptised at Haworth, or anywhere else in the West Riding records available to view, to Lewis Sunderland. 

[BumbleB]

Very much only a thought 

There is an entry for the baptism of Simeon Sunderland at Haworth on 23 December 1782, son of Hannah Sunderland of Haworth BUT there is no entry of "Bastard" against this baptism, as there is against others on the same page, where the mother's name is given.

However, saying that, I still can't find any entry for a Lewis Sunderland 

[Pamela21]

Oh dear, now I'm getting confused. I know my Simeon had a son called Lazarus (my line) and therefore first wife was Susan (from childrens' baptisms) and that she died before the 1841 census. I know his second wife was Betty (Bradford 1851/1861 census). That is all correct. Then I assumed the 1842 marriage was 'my' Simeon and his new wife Betty. However, I thought my Simeon was the illigitimate child of Hannah baptised 23 Dec 1782 in Haworth which doesn't match the father's name on the 1842 marriage!

[BumbleB]

Yes, I've found exactly the same information.  Perhaps, and it's only a perhaps, Simeon felt that he had to give a father's name on his second marriage and gave the name Lewis.   I can't see any evidence that a Lewis Sunderland ever existed (yet!!!!).

Unfortunately, even if we find the marriage between Simeon and Susan, it is by no means certain that it will solve the mystery of Simeon's parentage - pre-1837 marriages do not contain parents' names, so the only hope would be the name of a witness    But a marriage in any form would be a bonus 

It would be wonderful to find the marriage between Simeon and Susan, but chances are that it would have been conducted in HER parish - protocol played a fairly dominant part in those far-off days, and it was more usual for the marriage to take place in the bride's parish!!

As of this moment there is nothing to see BUT "they will be found when they want to be found" is my motto, and I've been proved correct on a number of occasions 

[Pamela21]

Exactly what I was thinking! That he invented Lewis as a cover for illigitimacy. I have searched for Simeon and Susan's marriage in Yorkshire, not just Haworth, because as you say we don't know where she was born as she'd died before the 1841 census. Your comment about finding them when they're ready makes me think you've had as many spooky things happen as me. Oh, the stories I could tell!