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Duncan Taylor with two lives.
« on: Monday 10 February 14 09:09 GMT (UK) »
I have a problem, I have a man with two live on my tree.
This info believe to be the correct one. He came to South Africa with his parents and siblings.
Duncan Taylor b. 30 Nov 1898 at Saltcoats
d. 9 Oct 1918 in France during WWI and was buried at the cemetery Beaurevoir British section. Grave No. B.20. Regiment- South African Infantry, rank- Private, Unit- 4thRegt. Service No. 19064
Parents- John Campbell Taylor b. 3 June 1874 Saltcoats and Mary Stevely b.1879 M. 15 July 1897.
John was a Dynamite worker first for Ardeer at Steveston then at Modderfontein Dynamite factory in South Africa.

Now the second lot of info, this is from the parish records, birth and death.
Duncan Taylor b. 28 April 1898 Hylcahill ? Saltcoats. Father John Taylor Dynamite worker, mother Mary Taylor / Stevely married 1897 July 15 Stevenston. Reg. on the 17th May 1898

Now the Death record.
Duncan Taylor d. 13 July 1899 H or Kyleshill Saltcoats. 14 months old. Father John Taylor Dynamite factory worker Mother Mary Taylor nee Stevely. Died from Gastro Enteritis. Parish Stevenston


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Re: Duncan Taylor with two lives.
« Reply #1 on: Monday 10 February 14 09:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi Karytay,
Do you have the birth certificate of the Duncan Taylor b.30th Nov 1898?
Looby :)

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Re: Duncan Taylor with two lives.
« Reply #2 on: Monday 10 February 14 09:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi loobylooayr,
No I do not have his birth certificate. Only his army records. :-[

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Re: Duncan Taylor with two lives.
« Reply #3 on: Monday 10 February 14 09:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi again,
The reasons I asked about the birth certificate of Duncan the South African soldier are-
Young men often told wee  lies about their D.O.B. when they enlisted and made themselves out to be a bit older than they actually were (you probably knew this :)  )
And it was common practice to name the first born son after the father's father. This meant that even if this child died the name could and very often would be used again for the next son.
This seems strange to us now in the 21st century, I could never call a baby after one who had passed away. But this did happen in Scotland during this time. My own mum born in the 1930s discovered in the 70s that she had had an elder sister born and died 2 year before my mum. To my mum's shock she found that they shared the same forename and middle name.
So what I'm suggesting is could Duncan have been maybe 1 year younger born circa 1899 and named after his recently deceased brother?
Just a thought.  Apologies if I'm way off track,
Looby :)


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Re: Duncan Taylor with two lives.
« Reply #4 on: Monday 10 February 14 10:24 GMT (UK) »
Looby, I was wondering if he had a twin and since the one died, but then why would they give twin's the same name. So your idea might be correct. So how do I find out if this is so?
Yes I was told by the officer that gave me Duncan's records that this was what the men did. On his records it is written that he was 19 when he enlisted.
So where do I get his birth certificate from?
Anotherthing Duncan had a brother James born about 1899 have no records for him. When children are born so close to each other it is confusing.

About getting named after your Ancestors, the Afrikaans people did the same. Like my dad was named after his grandfather, and so was one of his cousins. I was fortunate not to be named after any ancestor, and glad about that  :)

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Re: Duncan Taylor with two lives.
« Reply #5 on: Monday 10 February 14 10:29 GMT (UK) »
I put the info into Scotlands People

Between 1898 and 1902 there were 3 children named Duncan Taylor registered in Ayrshire.

1st Registered in Ardrossan 1898 ( looks to be the child who died in 1899)
2nd Registered in Troon 1901
3rd Registered in Stevenston 1902..... I think this will be the the child on your OP

The next occurrence of a child born in Ayrshire and named Duncan Taylor was 1906.

EDIT:
Is this the family at 1901?
1 Union St, Saltcoats
   
Name   Age
John Taylor   26 Nitro Glycerine Maker
Mary Taylor   22
James Taylor   2
Archebald Taylor   2 M

All born in Saltcoats

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Re: Duncan Taylor with two lives.
« Reply #6 on: Monday 10 February 14 10:45 GMT (UK) »
Great minds think alike annep. I'd just retrieved the same info.
Of course the Duncan born in 1902 would therefore only have been 16 when he died -perhaps even 15 depending on when his birthday was. Not impossible, there were young teenagers who managed to enlist and some unfortunately were killed :(
When did your Duncan sign up?
Another question do you know the fate of his brother James?
Scotlands People does have a James Taylor born 1899 at Stevenson, so probably the brother you referred to.
Could he be Duncan? For not only did young men use false D.O.B's, sometimes they gave false names/addresses/next of kin details. :-\
Worth considering...
Looby :)

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Re: Duncan Taylor with two lives.
« Reply #7 on: Monday 10 February 14 10:59 GMT (UK) »
Aha!
I have found the family coming BACK to the UK from SA in 1905.
Aboard the Galician . Boarded at Durban and disembarked at Southhampton on 9 Dec 1905

The party consists of:
Mary Taylor age 27
James Taylor age 5
Archibald age 3
Duncan age 2

As yet, I have not found them returning to SA

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Re: Duncan Taylor with two lives.
« Reply #8 on: Monday 10 February 14 11:11 GMT (UK) »
My Goodness, they couldn't have been there long before making that trip home. A long journey with 3 little boys :o
Karytay, do you know if James and Archibald Taylor enlisted too?
Looby :)

Added - Wonder if Mary Taylor was pregnant and returning home to give birth?