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Earliest Childwall Baptisms
« on: Thursday 27 February 14 15:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

  I've been trawling through the Childwall Baptisms of late and wondering whether those on Lancs OPC are the full versions of what still exists? We start off with good sets for 1611-1614 (with 40+ records a year) which drops down to 10 in 1615, 7 in 1617 and then just 1 record for 1618, '21, '22, '24 and '26. Normal(ish) service seems to resume in 1627-1630 (with 20+ records for each year) before the amount goes down again in 1631 and '32. Again we have normal service for 1633-38 before we're reduced to just one or two records for 1639-1652. After that, things get a bit better again up to 1660.

  I'm happy to accept that this might be 'it' for the Childwall baptisms, but just wanted to double check!

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    Stephen
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Re: Earliest Childwall Baptisms
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 27 February 14 15:30 GMT (UK) »
Have you looked to see what the LDS have on film
https://familysearch.org/catalog-search

LancashireOPC is an ongoing project by volunteers, they may well not have finished that parish.
This list shows what has been done in the last year http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexp.html

Rosie
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Re: Earliest Childwall Baptisms
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 27 February 14 16:01 GMT (UK) »
1642 - 1651 was the English Civil War - so no surprise about low parish records in that period - there was also Childwall Abbey - St Thomas the Martyr - St Marys - All Saints churches  - Childwall was split into 4 Parishes
I haven`t read it right through - but I did read there was ONE PRIEST ??....have a look
http://www.childwall.info/the-church-part-2/4576485856
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Re: Earliest Childwall Baptisms
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 01 March 14 15:12 GMT (UK) »
Actually I think we have some crossed wires here !
There is no suggestion on the website that Childwall was split into four parishes in medieval times.
Two of the chapels mentioned are said to be 'chantry' chapels within the church. These functioned something like side chapels in a cathededral, ie. they are not separate churches or buildings at all. The idea of a chantry chapel in the medieval period was to provide somewhere for a priest to say a daily mass for the dead. Some family who had enough money could have a chapel constructed within the parish church and would also provide an income sufficient to maintain a priest for this purpose. This would usually be done by signing land over to the parish in question. The income derived from renting out the land was for the priest. This was what the Norris family, for example, would have done. The idea was that the priest would be praying for the deceased members of the Norris family.

Even having a separate chapel building does not automatically mean it constitutes a separate parish.  Liverpool was all originally part of the parish of St. Mary's at Walton on the Hill. I believe St. Nicholas at the Pier Head was first built as a 'chapel of ease' for Liverpool people who, until then, were forced to travel all the way to Walton, which was their parish church, on Sundays and saints' feast days. At a later point when the population increased, St. Nicholas was made a parish. It's always been the church authorities that created a parish, not the fact that a chapel existed.

Sorry for the lecture. Medieval history is one of my interests. ;)

Joney

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Re: Earliest Childwall Baptisms
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 02 March 14 15:40 GMT (UK) »
The pattern of numbers, or more precisely the record-keeping, seems to be in line with many other parishes at the time.

Filling in the parish register seems to have been a low priority for many clergymen. Things only seem to settle down with the introduction of pre-printed registers. Maybe the events were lost or forgotten while travelling around the much larger parishes of the time.
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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Re: Earliest Childwall Baptisms
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 08 March 14 04:55 GMT (UK) »
Have you looked to see what the LDS have on film
https://familysearch.org/catalog-search
Rosie

Hi,
In 2008 I hired film #962177 from our LDS, on it the monumental inscriptions for Childwall numbered just 40. I have kept a copy if anyone would like one.
Smith, Corrigan, Hart. Walker, Mellett, Bridge, Brew , Nelson (Liverpool)
Smith, Parfrey, Corrigan, Conway, White (Cork. Ire)