Fred Martin & Albert Martin Brothers

[Lorri Stute]

I am looking for Decendants of these 2 brothers  they both were born in Hackney London Fred 1862  and Albert 1859, in 1873 they migrated to Canada through Annie Macphersons home they have a brother Jesse born 1857 died in the US-1899 these 2 brothers were in New Zealand at the time of Jesse's death one of them married I have a photo of there children no names just that it was taken in Blenheim NZ,  their parents are Jesse and Ann Martin, Ann died in 1867 in London, I have 1861 England census with all the siblings except Fred since he wasn't born yet.

[Janette]

Hi Lorri and welcome ro RC
Did the brothers have middle names?

there is this death that fit the age

1917/8296 Martin  Albert  57Y

Cheers Janette

[kiwihalfpint]

Hi Lorri,

Welcome to RC and the NZ Board.

That 1917 death is at Karori.   Seems the deceased was a surgeon.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yez/

Putting it up for elimination purposes.


Cheers
KHP

[Janette]

Is there any more information you can give on these chaps?

Do you know their occupations?

It may be like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack 

Cheers Janette

[Lorri Stute]

I have no idea what there occupations were. Albert is a total mystery I cannot find any censuses on him except for 1861 in Hackney London, As for Fred this is really confusing, I have a 1885 census for Minnesota with him on it in the same household with his Brother Jesse, then there is nothing after that, I found a letter written after 1885 from Jesse's wife stating Jesse and Alf were at the skating rink but Jesse had just received a letter from Fred in NZ. talk about confusing been trying to figure out if Fred and Alfred are one the same but how can they with what is said in the letter. I have a photo taken in Blenheim NZ of about 4 children that I know are one of  there's but no names no date. No middle names that I could find

[Lucy2]

Albert is a total mystery ...

 I found a letter written after 1885 from Jesse's wife stating Jesse and Alf were .... trying to figure out if Fred and Alfred are one the same ....

Hi Lorri

Can you clarify please ?      Albert   or   Alfred   

You have "Albert" in the topic heading    ... then you talk of "Alf"   and Fred and "Alfred".   

    ~   Lu

[Lucy2]

 As for Fred this is really confusing, I have a 1885 census for Minnesota with him on it in the same household with his Brother Jesse,

Hi Lorri

*  Are occupations for Fred and brother Jesse, listed on that 1885 Minnesota census   ??

*  Regardless of 1885, do you have an occupation for Jesse  ?  (which might give us an idea of the type of work his brothers were engaged in.  e.g.   Were they occupied in trades ...were they labourers ... etc. etc. )

  ~  Lu

[Janette]

There is a birth on FreeBDM's for

Births Jun 1862   
MARTIN  Frederick William Thomas     Hackney  1b 385   
 and a NZ death

1940/20097 Martin  Frederick William Thomas  78Y

Cheers Janette

[Lucy2]

Can see a Frederick MARTIN in 1896 residing in Blenheim ?

Following up on this.

    ~   Lu