NOCK, Thomas

[Whosthatchick]

Hi,
I am looking for information about the ancestors of Thomas Nock, who the family think came from Birmingham and settled in Australia, around the late 1800's.
Thanks

[dawnsh]

Hi Whosthatchick

Just to let you know I'm moving your topic to a more appropriate board.

Also, so we don't duplicate your own efforts, do you have dates of birth, marriage and death?

Do you know who he married and did they have children?

Have you found him in the 1881 or 1891 census?

DAwn

[Whosthatchick]

Hi Dawn,
Thomas was born in 1886 and died in Melbourne in 1933.   Father was William Joseph Nock and mother Maria Baglay.   He married Emily Susannah Pearce and they had 5 children.   This is what information I got from Australia.   I have done a bit of searching in England but no luck so far.   The family story is that he came from Birmingham, but it doesn't say in the records I have - just "England".
Thanks for moving the post - I wasn't quite sure where to put it.

[keyboard86]

Hi Dawn,
Thomas was born in 1886 and died in Melbourne in 1933.   Father was William Joseph Nock and mother Maria Baglay.   He married Emily Susannah Pearce and they had 5 children.   This is what information I got from Australia.   I have done a bit of searching in England but no luck so far.   The family story is that he came from Birmingham, but it doesn't say in the records I have - just "England".
Thanks for moving the post - I wasn't quite sure where to put it.

Hi have you found the marriage of William Joseph Nock to Maria Bagley?
Where/When did Thomas marry, when and who with did he arrive in Australia?

Keyboard86

[Whosthatchick]

Hi Keyboard86,
No I haven't found their marriage details.   Thomas was grown when he left England to "find his fortune" (family quote).   So I imagine in his mid-late teens or early 20's.   He married and lived in Melbourne all his life, was a chef who at one stage had his own restaurant and then worked for Menzies Hotel.

[trish1120]

Death Reg has him born c 1855

Name: Thos Nock
Death Place: Brunswick, Victoria
Age:    78
Father's Name: Wm Joseph Nock
Mother's name:    Marie Baglay
Registration Year:    1933
Registration Place:    Victoria
Registration Number:    10295
Estimated birth year:    abt 1855

What year did he Marry in Australia?
Was he a Widower?

Earliest Electrol Roll in Melbourne I can find him on is 1909 with Emily.
He is a Cook, Emily a Confectioner.

Trish

[trish1120]

Marriage Reg FreeBMD, June 1852, Stourbridge, 6c 170
Joseph NOCK and Maria BAGLEY (only names on page)

So looks like William Joseph Nock may have used his second name.

Christening;
THOMAS Nock, 25 Dec 1855, Halesowen, Worcester, to JOSEPH/MARIA
Siblings Christenings;
MARY JANE, 25 Dec 1855
WILLIAM, 25 Dec 1855
PHOEBE, 6 July 1858
(Source Familysearch.Org)

There will be more but only searched til 1861 to make it easier to find them on 1861 Census.
Looks like a mass Christening for Thomas/Mary Jane/William.

F/S has Marias name mistranscribed but this is the Marriage date;
Joseph NOCK
England Marriages, 1538–1973   
marriage:    28 June 1852 Halesowen,Worcester,England   
spouse:    Maria BAYLEY

[trish1120]

1861 Census (name misspelt)
Beer House, Hagley St,
Halesowen, Worcestershire
RG9/2064/14/19
Joseph NOCH, 31, Head, Mar, Publican
Maria,31, Wife, Mar
William, 12, Son, Scholar
Mary Jane, 6, Daug, Scholar
THOMAS, 4, Son****
Phoebe, 3, Daug
Joseph, 1, Son
+ 2 Servants
All born Halesowen

1871 still in Hagley st;
Joseph Nock, 40, Green Grocer
Mariah Nock, 39
Mary I Nock, 17
THOMAS Nock, 15*****
Phoebe Nock, 13
Joseph Nock, 11
James Nock, 9
Annie Nock, 7
Sarah Nock, 4
Alfred Nock, 3 Months
+ 2 Servants

1881 Thomas has left Home.
Joseph is now a Licensed Victuller & Farmer Of 65 Acres Employing 2 Men

[trish1120]

Marriage from FreeREG, www.freereg.org.uk

28 June 1852, St John the Baptist, Haleswoen, Worcestershire
Joseph NOCH, Bachelor, Green Grocer, abode Boro, Father WILLIAM Noch, Nailor
Maria BAGLEY, Spinster, abode Boro, Father JEREMIAH Bagley, Green Grocer
Witnesses, Richard Fiddian/Ann White

1851 Census Joseph NICK, Unm, age 20 (1831), Occp Fruiterer,  is lodging with the Clarks in Halesowen.