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Pool family Leicester
« on: Monday 31 March 14 19:54 BST (UK) »
I have a brickwall situation. My Ggfatherx3 Thomas Pool born 1797 has been so elusive. I think he is the son of Richard Pool and Letitia Harvey but cannot find his baptism. I have recently received a settlement document for Richard in 1802 which I had hoped would prove he had a son Thomas but the document has no details of his family. Richard was christened at Ibstock in 1776 the son of John and Rebecca and served in the Royal Artillery in Kent. He married Letitia Harvey in Canterbury in 1795 and had a son Richard christened in Deal in 1799. I cannot find a christening in Kent for Thomas. I think Richard's father John left a will. He was a butcher and lived at Ibstock but was settled at Nailstone and buried at Barlestone. The only hope I have is that some kind soul can give me a reference number at Leicester Record Office for John Pool's will to see if it contains the missing link. Either that or a reference number for Thomas Pool's apprenticeship indenture.  Any help or advice would be much appreciated.

Sylvia Howard (nee Pool)

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Re: Pool family Leicester
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 01 April 14 08:47 BST (UK) »
what info do you have for Thomas already - does he have family/ occupation / death. can you place him anywhere in Leics at any time. what makes the link with Richard & Letitia? do you know he was born in kent? if so have you considered this baptism found on FindMyPast?

Thomas Poole 9/4/1797  s/o Daniel & Ann   Eltham, Kent

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Re: Pool family Leicester
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 01 April 14 09:22 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your reply Diddy. In the 1851 census Thomas is living in Kensington, London, born 1797 Leicester. He is a master builder married to Susannah. He married Susannah Hardy in 1817 at St Margarets, Leicester, and his eldest daughter was born there. A Thomas Pool son of Richard woolsorter was apprenticed to T Knight bricklayer in Leicester in 1812. In 1826 a Thomas Pool bricklayer of London apprentice of T Knight bought his freedom in Leicester. The only record at Leicester for Thomas is a certificate dated 1812 to say that he had served 6 weeks of his apprenticeship with T Knight. There is only one Richard Pool woolsorter in the 1841 census at Leicester. If this is the correct Richard then he was a soldier in Kent and married Letitia at Canterbury in 1795 and had a son Richard in 1799 christened at Deal. Therefore Thomas 1797 would have been born in Kent but I cannot find the christening. I am 90% sure that Richard is his father but need that last bit of proof.

I will look at the Eltham christening to see if it helps. Thanks again for your help.

Sylvia

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Re: Pool family Leicester
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 01 April 14 23:02 BST (UK) »
Hi again

John Pool's will is held at Leicester Records Office.  Reference is:

John   Pool - Butcher of Barlestone - probate 1803 - reference    PR/T/   1803/168

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Re: Pool family Leicester
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 02 April 14 08:31 BST (UK) »
Thanks yet again Truebrit, what would we do without helpful people like you. Will order the will (oops) to see if it throws any light on the problem.

Sylvia

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Re: Pool family Leicester
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 05 April 14 19:34 BST (UK) »
Do let us know, have been having a look, hope you find something.
Willsy

Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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Re: Pool family Leicester
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 05 April 14 20:55 BST (UK) »
Hi

The family were definitely in Leicester in 1802, found these baptisms with parents John and Laetitia/ Lettice POOLE all at St Margarets Leicester

Joseph born 7 February 1804, bp. 11 Feb. 1804 (mother transcribed ~ Lettice)
Mary Ann born 19 April 1806, bp. 15 June 1806 
Stephen born 16 December 1808, bp. 16 Jan 1808? (must be 1809)
Selina born 20 June 1809, bp. 15 October 1809
Lititia bp. 22 June 1817.

claire

Added: William born 24 March 1802, bp. 11 April 1802 at St MARTINS
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Re: Pool family Leicester
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 05 April 14 21:44 BST (UK) »
Have just gone over some Nailstone records as there was a John and Rebecca but found this

Richard Poole M MARR 27 SEP 1810 Anne Cowleshaw
groom of St. Mary, Leicester;
witnesses Thomas Cowlishaw, M. A. Smith

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Nailstone   27-Sep   1810   Licence   
Richard    Poole     Leicester, St. Mary   Bach   20   Of his father Richard Poole
Ann   Cowlishaw   Of This Parish      Spin   21   

Leicester, St. Mary   21-Aug   1820   Banns   
Richard   Pool   Of This Parish         
Maria    Anderson   Of This Parish

Willsy

Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives

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Re: Pool family Leicester
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 05 April 14 22:08 BST (UK) »
Thanks claire.t, I have all Richard and Letitia's family but I am missing Thomas's birth. There is a Thomas Pool son of Richard woolsorter apprenticed to T. Knight bricklayer in Leicester in 1812 and a Thomas Pool of London bricklayer bought his freedom in Leicester in 1826 but all Leicester Record Office have is a certificate to say Thomas had served 6 weeks of his apprenticeship. There is a similar document for Richard's son William and another document for William to say that 2 guineas had been paid by John Blackshaw for his apprenticeship to a framework knitter. I know that Richard Blackshaw was a butcher living at Nailstone where Richard's father John (also a butcher) lived. Perhaps he was a family friend who helped them by paying for the boys' apprenticeships. I don't know whether in that case he would have held the indentures and that is why they are missing or whether they disintegrated where they were kept.  Richard had a settlement exam in 1802 but doesn't mention any of his family. So, I have no baptism, no indenture and no mention of a son called Thomas. All these documents references bear the name of Nailstone which is encouraging. Could there have been two Richard Pools who were woolsorters in Leicester in 1812?
Sylvia