Looking for Andrew and Maria Gale

[jbj63]

Hi All

I've got stuck finding Andrew and Maria Gale after 1901.

Andrew Gale married Maria Matthews in 1893 in Chertsey, Surrey.  Andrew was born 1869 Chertsey and Maria was born Edith Maria Matthews in 1872 Weybridge, Surrey. 

In 1901 they are living in Leatherhead, Surrey with two children Alfred Gale aged 4 b. Ottershaw and George Gale aged 1 b. Hounslow.  I also can't seem to locate their births either.

I can't find any of the family after 1901.  Can anyone help?

[jorose]

At least one can be found on freebmd:
Georgie Sydney Gale, Brentford district, 3a/70 Sep 1899

Okay a bit confusing but I think I might have found at least some of them:

Andrew I think remarried in 1906 in Brentford - "Andrew Gale Neville" (no birth under this name!) in Epsom to Emily Rose Waller.

Looking at the census, was he illegitimate originally? A George Neville married a Rhoda Gale in 1872  - was this Andrew's (step? biological?)father and mother?

(1881 for the Nevilles: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3PV-GM9 )

From the free search on GenesReunited I can see a Harry Neville (b. Ottershaw) and George Neville (b. Hounslow of the right ages in Brentford - it's not clear what happened to Edith Maria.

Andrew Neville d. in Brentford district 1932 aged 60, and Emily R. Neville died in the Brentford district in 1932 aged 56.

[jbj63]

Thanks Jorose

It is Maria Gale I am particularly looking for as she is my grandmother's aunt and that side of the family is proving to be more than a little challenging.

[jim1]

This looks like Maria in 1881. do you have this?
Weybridge:
George Matthews  50
Elizabeth Matthews  50 b. Byfleet.
Arthur Matthews  10
Maria Matthews  9
Living next door:
Alfred Flint  28
Elizabeth Flint  13
John Flint  11
RG11; Piece: 768; Folio: 38; Page: 4
From here it gets complicated.
The above Flint's are children of Isaac & Elizabeth Flint all b. Byfleet.
There's this marriage:
Nov.24 1850 Byfleet:
Isaac Flint= Elizabeth Oakley/Fa. John Oakley.
Isaac died 1871.
1891.
Eddlestone Surrey:
George Matthews  62
Elizabeth Matthews  64 b. Byfleet.
John Matthews  20/son/Image has name as John Flint.
RG12; Piece: 553; Folio: 88; Page: 33
Then there's this marriage:
Jan. 14 1872 Addlestone:
George Matthews/full age/widower/lab./Fa. George Matthews/lab.
Elizabeth Flint/full age/widow/Fa. James Cooper/gardener.
Arthur Matthews b.1870 is from George's 1st. marriage to Hannah Todman m.1849.
From all the info. Elizabeth Oakley Fa. John & Elizabeth Cooper Fa. James are one in the same.
Confused.

[jbj63]

Thanks jim1

I do have both the censuses, thank you.  The 1891 is not as complicated as you think.  Elizabeth Matthews was formerly Flint née Oakley.  John was her son with Isaac Flint.  My great grandmother was their daughter Elizabeth Jane Flint.

John Flint was b. abt 1869 Chertsey, Surrey.  Parents Elizabeth and Isaac Flint. Isaac Flint died July 1871 Byfleet aged  Abt 44.

I haven't got the 1891 for Maria/Edith.  She seems to be rather elusive.

[jbj63]

Then there's this marriage:
Jan. 14 1872 Addlestone:
George Matthews/full age/widower/lab./Fa. George Matthews/lab.
Elizabeth Flint/full age/widow/Fa. James Cooper/gardener.

I've just seen the last part of your post.  That is confusing.  I had assumed that this was the right marriage as everything else matched for Elizabeth Flint.  Her father to my knowledge was John Oakley not James Cooper.

If the wedding record is correct, can you see where I have gone wrong?

[jim1]

I don't think you have gone wrong.I've double checked everything & they still look like the same Elizabeth.
I can't see an Elizabeth Oakley b. 1832ish Byfleet but there is an Elizabeth Cooper with father James.

[jim1]

OK. There is an Elizabeth Oakley b. 1832 Byfleet & on the same page as Elizabeth Cooper would you believe.Her father is John & mother Jane. Occ: broom maker.There's also a brother John b.1825.
Elizabeth Cooper b.1832 Byfleet has father James (middle name Larkins) & mother Sophia. Occ: blacksmith.
1841 Byfleet there's an Elizabeth Cooper with father James & mother Jane. He's an ag.lab.
1851 Addlestone there's an Elizabeth Cooper b.1832 Byfleet in service when you're Elizabeth would have been called Flint.
So 2 Elizabeth Coopers b. 1832 Byfleet but which one is in service & which one is yours & what happened to Elizabeth Oakley b. 1832 Byfleet because I can't see her anywhere.
The only Oakley of any name married in Surrey claiming to have a father John is the one married to Isaac Flint.

[jbj63]

Oh my goodness!  This seems to get more confusing each time I read it!

The whole Flint family has caused me a big headache.

Elizabeth Jane Flint is my great grandmother.  Elizabeth had a child George Edward Flint in 1888 in Chertsey, Surrey.  She married George Clark in 1893 in Hounslow, Middlesex (Andrew Gale and Maria Matthews witnessed the marriage).  Elizabeth and George had a son Donald Sydney Clark (later to become Donald Clarke).  George Clark died in 1899.

Elizabeth had my grandmother Sarah Ann Cooper (I have the birth certificate) in 1902.  In 1911 Elizabeth is on the census with my great grandfather Alfred, but she is listed as a widow and he is listed as a widower.  I don't believe they ever married she just called herself Cooper.  On Sarah's birth certificate she is listed as Elizabeth Cooper (formerly Flint).

I have traced Donald Clark with no problem, but have been unable to find out what happened to George.  After his birth in 1888 he doesn't seem to appear on the census until 1911 when he is listed as George Clark.

Also on the 1911 census Alfred Cooper has a son Alfred with him aged 3 born Hounslow.

I have a census for 1901 that I believe to be Alfred and Elizabeth, but the names appear wrong.  I haven't seen the image though.  The reason that I believe it to be right is the address: 3 Brickfield Road, Isleworth.  That is the exact address on Sarah birth certificate and also listed on the census is Emma Walker down as Mother in Law b. Oxford.  Alfred was married to Harriet Walker in 1895.  She died in 1896.  Her mother was called Elizabeth though, but she did come from Oxford and the age matches.  Why the names are wrong on the census, I have no idea.  Piece: 1184  Folio: 161  Page:  22

I'd really like to trace what happened to Elizabeth's half sister Maria Gale after 1901 and son George Flint between 1888 and 1911.

Sorry to ramble but it is a bit complicated.