Ward John B abt. 1797 Headington Oxfordshire

[NDRFT]

Benjamin WARD who was Thomas's father was born circa 1798 in Alveston, Warwickshire and it is looking more and more as if your Thomas married his cousin Ellen - again not unusual in those days.

It seems to me you now need to check out the baptism of Benjamin and Samuel to reveal who their parents were as I reckon they were at least cousins but could also have been brothers.

That's all I can offer in the way of help.

Good luck

NDRFT

[NDRFT]

The wife's name on marriage cert is Ellen Marks - so if they married in Hertford in 1852 why would there be a marriage for an Ellen WARD in April 1859 in St. Giles Oxford. = TWO different families


It seems more and more that you may have crossed over information from TWO different WARD families.
The facts are as they are in regard to the information I offer you from the Parish Records and also having gone through this from all the census and on line parish info.

You need to sift out what is clearly un - connected and assemble what is most likely or more probable and see if that helps. As Claire says this is always a problem when researching a well used family name - especially when some folks research is not actually very thorough.

Again good luck

[Vee Harding]

Hi there

Gosh that's v. interesting.

It will take my little grey cells to do a Poirot on that.

I'm going to check all my records and check the advice from yourself and Claire over the next few days.

I WILL come back and let you know how I get on.  I've had some doubts for a while as I never link to other trees.  I thought I had tested it enough, but maybe not.

However, this old biddy is not done with yet, I'll keep digging.

Thank you both so very much for your kindness.

Vee

[NDRFT]

Hi again

You are very welcome and we are all here to help each other, nudge and guide each other so anyone's age or grey cell capacity in my book is irrelevant!!!

Give us a shout as soon as you  are ready and we'll get back to looking under as many stones or is it moss as possible?

Regards

Nigel

[..claire..]

Hi Vee,

I second what Nigel says, we are all here to help and guide each other, and help you whenever you need it

best wishes

claire

[Vee Harding]

Hello Claire Hello Nigel

Well what a turn up for the book this has been.

I now believe I'm on the right track thanks to you both.

Thomas (no longer Charles) Ward M. Ellen Ward as you said.
I have him in the 1841 1861 1871 1881 1891 & D. 1901.

F. Benjamin Ward M. Believe Mary Ann Weller. Benjamin Believe B. 1793 Alvestone Warwickshire.

1841/1851/1861 seems to confirm.

I believe his father was a Benjamin - not got that far on him yet.

I think Mary Ann Weller if it's correct - her Mother Elizabeth Collett.
Reason to think that, is child with 2nd christian name as Collett in union workhouse records where she was Matron to the Master.

I've searched for Thomas Ward in the 1851 census but no luck - also I've looked on the card catalog in various ways without success to find the transcribed Parish records Nigel found for the marriage to Ellen Ward  April 19 1859.

I was checking the member books today, and wondered if you could suggest which CD would be sensible for me to purchase to carry on back and/or find the marriage.

My thoughts now are could Thomas & Ellen have shared the same Grandfather?

Do you think I'm on the right line now please?

 Hope you both get this as not sure if I should copy inf to both people.

Viv

[..claire..]

Hi,

Yes you are definitely are on the right track now 

Not sure where to get CD but I think Nigel will know.

I am working at the moment but do have some access to Warwickshire records which I can check later to try and establish the link between Thomas and Ellen's grandparents, unless and comes to help sooner.

Claire

[NDRFT]

Hi again Vee
Glad some of the info is starting to fit for you.

I have given you all the info there is to find on the Burford marriage. To get anymore you would have to look at the actual parish record which is held at The Oxford Record Office, St Lukes, Oxford. But quite frankly that wont tell you anymore - so good are the transcriptions.

The CD I took the info from is available from Oxfordshire Family History Society at a cost of just under £20 It is cd OXF-WIT04.

BUT which marriage are you looking for - is it Thomas for which there is unlikley to be any more info or is it for Benjamin to Mary Ann Weller

[NDRFT]

Vee
Be careful with your search for the correct Benjamin Ward the closer you move toward Birmingham the harder it is to differentiate between the many WARD families.

You may know ALVESTON where Thomas father Benjamin came from is very very close to Stratford upon Avon and I think you will find that Benjamin was baptised on 12 Aug 1796 at Holy Trinity Church, Stratford on Avon and was the son of Leonard and Marth Ward. Check it out.