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Photo to date please - Chilvers
« on: Wednesday 07 May 14 09:51 BST (UK) »
I wonder if anyone might be able to date this photo. I'm curious to try and work out the occasion they took it for (if any), as it is of my ancestors Robert Chilvers (1831-1911) and his wife Ann Mary (1832-1915), who lived in Marham, Norfolk.

He was a Blacksmith and he was blind at the end of his working life. According to the family, "he never saw a motor vehicle and when one did pass he would refer to it as a 'monkey cart' as he was unable to envisage it moving without horses".

As you can see the photographer is Walter Dexter studio of Kings Lynn. The Norfolk photographic directory says that he took over his father's business there in May 1881: http://www.early-photographers.org.uk/Nor%20C-D.html

Robert Chilvers is still listed as a 'blacksmith' on the 1891 census but is a 'retired blacksmith' by 1901, and although he doesn't indicate his blindness on the census entries I imagine his retirement would have been caused by it. To me he looks already blind in this portrait, although I can't be certain.

Anyway, my guess for the portrait would therefore be 1890s, but I would like your opinions on fashion, card-style etc to see if they concur. No restorations needed thankyou.

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Chris

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Re: Photo to date please - Chilvers
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 07 May 14 11:08 BST (UK) »
Mid-late 1880's.

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Re: Photo to date please - Chilvers
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 07 May 14 23:03 BST (UK) »
Walter Dexter took over his parents business on their retirement in 1881.
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Re: Photo to date please - Chilvers
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 07 May 14 23:14 BST (UK) »
Thanks Jim :-)


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Re: Photo to date please - Chilvers
« Reply #4 on: Monday 06 April 15 23:43 BST (UK) »
Hi sorry to dredge an old one up - is there any chance this could be as late as 1895? Wasn't sure if you meant mid-late 1880s by the style of the card back or clothing...

I realised that Walter Dexter was based at Blackfriars Street (known dates 1883-1892) and then at High Street (known dates 1896-1904). The card says 'near Post Office' and the General Post Office was on Blackfriars Street so this photo was taken at latest before 1896, possibly may have been taken in 1895 when their son left to go to Australia (also based on the fact I think his blindness may not have come on until the 1890s).

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Re: Photo to date please - Chilvers
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 07 April 15 01:23 BST (UK) »
Well, if it is the 90s the lady is woefully and horrendously out of date, because the style of clothing especially the sleeves changed drastically beginning in 1889. Up until well after the first war, having one's photograph done was an Event of note, and a lady always tried to be as up-to-date as possible for it. So...no, 1896 is way too late. Jim says mid/late 1880s, but I would have said early/mid 1880s. Either way, no. Sorry :P

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 07 April 15 01:42 BST (UK) »
Have a look here for a dress from 1896 and see the difference.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714404.0

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Re: Photo to date please - Chilvers
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 07 April 15 07:34 BST (UK) »
Ok thanks China, that's very helpful. I'm sure you're right, they were only in their 50s, their fashion wouldn't have been so outdated. Back to the drawing board!

Many thanks
Chris