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Mary Meehan born approx 1878
« on: Friday 16 May 14 18:44 BST (UK) »
Hi all,
We are trying to find information on my great grandmother.
She was born in Ireland approx 1878, birthplace unknown. She was the eldest of 7, 3 brothers + 3 sisters. Her father was a cobbler/shoe maker.

Something must have happened to her mother as her father came to Lancashire with the children, and put all the children in Catholic Orphanage/school somewhere near Manchester.
She used to sell flowers at the age of 11 at the local markets. She married a Joseph Gates and had 4 children to him - Marian, Joseph, Stanley, Edward. Joseph passed away, and she met my great grandfather Richard Hynes (foundry laborer - went missing and was presumed dead), and had 2 more children with him - Victoria and Richard (1913). She died somewhere near Manchester around 1946.
Like most Irish in England at the time, she changed her name, from Meehan to Matthews well before her first marriage to Joseph at 16 or 17.
We do not have any information on the Irish arm of our family tree. My grandfather married, had children and immigrated to Perth, Western Australia in 1951 with wife Elsie, children Anne and Terence. If anyone can point to where to look besides paying for websites in the hope I get a lead, that would be much appreciated.
Aaron.

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Re: Mary Meehan born approx 1878
« Reply #1 on: Friday 16 May 14 19:55 BST (UK) »
Welcome.
What was her father's name? Do you have her mother's name?
Have you found her in all the English Census to see if she gives a birthplace other than just Ireland, or have her siblings or father.
Without a townland or parish it will be very difficult. There are a lot of Mary Meehans. Do any of her siblings have a unusual name?

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Re: Mary Meehan born approx 1878
« Reply #2 on: Friday 16 May 14 20:17 BST (UK) »
Hello and welcome  :)

I have same points as Sinann. It is difficult to find some of what you have given.
There is a Richard Hynes birth 1913 with mother Matthews in Prestwich district.
I can't find a marriage to Joseph Gates - did she not marry Richard?

People didn't often change their surnames - sometimes there were anglicised spellings or just errors because of illiteracy.

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Re: Mary Meehan born approx 1878
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 May 14 01:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Thanks for replying.

We do not know Mary's parents or any of her brothers or sisters names.
Her name at birth was definitely Meehan, but told my grandfather she went by the name Matthews to fit in when she was at the Orphanage/School (which I am guessing is St Josephs Industrial School - Grindlow House) being in close proximity to where my grandfather grew up on Rochdale Rd.
I have a copy of my grandfathers birth Certificate which has her as a Matthews, however a bad copy of a birth extract has her as Hynes, formerly Gates, maiden name Meehan.
She definitely married Joseph, with the surname being on the extract.

Heywood: Thats very interesting as they were in the North Manchester Registration District, 1913. Where did you find that information?


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Re: Mary Meehan born approx 1878
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 17 May 14 08:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Aaron

http://www.freebmd.org.uk. Shows mother's maiden name after 1911

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php. can also be a useful site.

I'll have another look around.

I just looked Grindlow House up which was Stockport Road - it is not that close to Rochdale Road. Lancashire BMD shows Richard's birth as Blackley district which is good for Rochdale Rd :)
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Re: Mary Meehan born approx 1878
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 17 May 14 08:45 BST (UK) »
you say she had 6 siblings could you give us their names in birth order,might help to pin them down.

Sorry should have said can you find her on earlier census prior to marriage and when was she put into orphanage with siblings.

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Re: Mary Meehan born approx 1878
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 17 May 14 08:59 BST (UK) »
Bearing in mind that family stories can be variable:

1891 3428/84/10

40 Nelson Street

Owen Meehan 39 yrs. Bootmaker b Manchester
Susannah 36 yrs. clothes dealer
James16 yrs. Bootmaker apprentice
Mary 14 yrs
Owen 12 yrs
Timothy 7 yrs
Johanna 5 yrs
Susannah 3 yrs


All born Manchester and in right area  :-\
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Re: Mary Meehan born approx 1878
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 17 May 14 09:11 BST (UK) »
I will post what I can see bearing in mind, it may not be your family

1873 marriage Owen Meehan and Susannah Conn

In 1901 Susannah (child) is in St Joseph's and looks to be there in 1911 - Susannah Meahan inmate

1901 Sushanna Mean 42 yrs married, Machinist shirt
Owen Mean 21yrs Traveller, Commercial
They Are both visitors  at a Barrett family home in Newton Heath Manchester

Owen marries in 1905 giving his father as John Meehan, slipper maker, if I have the right family.

1911 Owen snr looks to be in Prestwich Asylum.

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Re: Mary Meehan born approx 1878
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 17 May 14 10:01 BST (UK) »
I think we need more information re Mary's children - order of birth and years of birth please.

Is it Richard's birth certificate you have? Can you give all details please.

This looks like Owen snr in 1901 3779/88/34

O Mehan 49 yrs widowed Shoemaker born Manchester

He is an inmate in Prestwich. He is sadly classed as 'Lunatic'.

I would think it is him, even though it says widowed and that is probably Susannah in Newton Heath.
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