Ludlams in New Zealand

[sherryludlam]

Hi there,
I have just started on the genealogy trail, but have come up short with who my actual first Ludlam relative was to arrive in New Zealand.
I think it is George Ludlam, who arrived on a ship called Steinwarder in October 1864. He was 25 at the time. He was travelling with an Ellen Ludlam, who was 24, but I cant tell if she was his wife or sister as I cannot find any records that go further back. The use of the same name across multiple generations does not make this easy!
I also cannot find any records in NZ of these two living together, but did find a census record stating that an Ellen was married and living at the same address as Walter Ludlam. This was in 1919.
One family tree I found had a George as my great-grandfathers grandfather, and generally the dates work.
Does anyone know how I could find if George and Ellen were brother and sister or married? And fiind birth records for George?
Any help woold be great!
Thanks
Sherry

[sherryludlam]

Hi all,
I have jsut started on this genealogy trail and am trying to find who my first Ludlam releative was to arrive in NZ.
I have found a George Ludlam who arrived on the ship Steinwaerder in Oct 1864, with an Ellen Ludlam. I do not know if they were married or brother and sister as cannot find marriage records or birth records.
I also can find no history of them living together in NZ, I did find a census record showing an Ellen Ludlam married to a Walter Ludlam in 1919.
Can anyone help me with this?
There is the possibility that George came from the Essex area in England.
Regards
Sherry

[Jean Price]

Hello Sherry,

Welcome to RootsChat.
We will all do our best to help you with you search.
In the meantime, I have asked a moderator to move your post to the New Zealand Board.
Regards
Jean

[giblet]

It appears that they must be married. There are birth for the couple in the NZ bmd

Parents as George and Ellen Maria
1872   Ludlam   Ellen Margaret   
1874   Ludlam   NR   
1870   Ludlam   John Thomas   
1867   Ludlam   Walter Robert William   
1865   Ludlam   Maria Ann Maria   

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/

[sherryludlam]

Wow! Thats impressive. Certainly has me confused tho, but will do more research based on that.
Thanks heaps!

[giblet]

I did find a census record showing an Ellen Ludlam married to a Walter Ludlam in 1919.

There was a Walter William Ludlam who married a Ellen Mitchell in 1912

NZ marriage index
1912/7312   Ellen   Mitchell  and   Walter William   Ludlam

The below link is for the New Zealand Newspapers .. Paperspast.
There are a couple of mentions of George and Ellen.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast

[sherryludlam]

That sort of makes sense, as Walter's first wife and a few of the children drown in 1910. I did wonder if he had remarried.
I now cant work out where that Alexander fits it - I think he was born in 1894, but there is no record in that BMD database, but he has children registered. I wonder if he travelled to NZ also and was born overseas. Another connection to try and find!

[giblet]

There was a James Alexander born to Martha and Walter

1892/1504   Ludlam   James Alexander  mother   Martha   father Walter

[sherryludlam]

I think that is a different one, as the BMD records show that Alexander George and Caroline had kids from 1899-1904. I wonder if Alexander was the son of Maria Ann?