I do not know where to begin?!

[J.J.]

So which came first the chicken or the egg...Was New York implied since the name sounds Italian and there are some variations of the Buzzoni name...  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01156/
Or was the name French to begin with and the spelling phonetically butchered beyond recognition?

[ammma]

J.J.  I have checked each web site you gave me; wow; this is even more complicated than I imagined.  I retrieved several Canadian Census for Canada East (1851, 61, 71, 81) and although there was some sort of Mary Ann Bazzoni listed with the correct age and listed as born in the US (without State), I never realized a name could be crucified in such a manner (whether it is another language, Irish or lack of ability to write). I guess I am going to find this in all endeavours of genealogy .  The United States is a big place too!!  Erato wrote how do I know she was born in the U.S.A.; and I thought appearing on several census was enough.  Thank you for such help.

[J.J.]

It is indeed complicated, and with no state given, and no marriage found, it will be hard if not impossible to find out more. I cannot see any Drouin files offhand, which is surprising since they were Catholic...although Edward's brothers in St-Jérôme had an established  church. 

 http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WMDK2N_glise_St_Louis_de_France_Terrebonne_Qc

Nothing in Marriage bonds http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/vital-statistics-births-marriages-deaths/marriage-bonds/Pages/search.aspx

Yes she states United States enough times on census that one should believe her, however you had not really givenmuch information at all...Next time you post a new querie, try to be more specific about what you know, maybe post some census links, as I have done, to avoid other searching for what is already known.

1871  http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/jpg/4395504_00022.jpg
          http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1871/jpg/4395504_00023.jpg
1881  http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e327/e008164392.jpg

 

[J.J.]

If you can find anything validly linking her to New York, something more than speculation, here is a fellow in 1820 New York census  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XHGZ-56T
and this person was born N.York c.1820  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M8VJ-5KC?cc=1438024... 
 However these may also have been the source of speculation

They can't decide if this fellow is Italian or German, but he also says was born U.S. appears to be rather transient  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KD4M-352
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-24484-23166-32?cc=1923995

How is your French? You can look for 1840 and through a ton of pages... https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1471015

[polarbear]

Hello folks.

This is certainly a most challenging thread. Here are a few thoughts.....

I haven't looked at all the online trees (and one must be careful about how accurate a tree might really be), but those I did look at that are connected to Edward Carey have a Mary Ann Bazzoni b. about 1815 in London/Middlesex area in England. Your Mary Ann was apparently born later than this according to the censuses and her death record, about 1824. And she appears to be quite sure she was b. in the United States. IMHO, these are 2 different ladies and you can probably discount the Mary Ann b. in England. It is really too bad none of the census records give a state for Mary Ann's birth.

Judging by the recorded ages of US Mary Ann, she would have only been about 17 when she married Edward Carey. If they married in Quebec, I believe Mary Ann would have needed the consent of parents or guardian. I'm not sure if the same would be the case if they married in the US. Although they lived in St Sophie Parish, the church was apparently only erected in 1851 so if they lived there when they married the ceremony would have been at another church. My suggestion would be to contact the Roman Catholic Diocese of St Jerome (google should find it) and inquire which church they would have attended prior to this. The records for St Louis de France in Terrebonne are poorly preserved but I don't see a marriage there in 1840.

Not that records have shown up for any other churches on line .... no marriage and no baptisms for the first few children. They are very well hidden.

Mary Ann's last name was probably spelled Bazzoni, as seen in her death record. She was able to write and signed her own name as what appears to be Bazzoni on the 1860 baptism record for a Mary Ann Carey, the daughter of a Henry Carey, who was perhaps a nephew of Edward, and Catherine McDonald. However, the records show some very inventive variations, don't they? Perhaps the enumerator for the 1861 census actually asked how Mary spelled her last name too?

PB

[J.J.]

Some of the children's documents seem to also stick close to that spelling....Bazzonie Bazoni  Bazzonie, so the poster might be looking for Italian ancestry...although with an Italian name my father's clan ended up in Austro-Hungary...some others in Switzerland, so right now it is a guess as to where the family is originally from all around....
(Still I am not 100% convinced as the phonetics do tie into Bazinet  Bazinais)

...and yes, I did point out that there is an early census record for the surname in New York,   but there likely aren't many states that have the early records in existence...so can't take any of that to the bank either.  J.J.

ADDING: O.K. Hmmmm. I did find some more early New York births...and because Mary Anne named some of her children Virginia, Francis & Helen.
Francis, probably a brother to the Lewis/Louis who is also a carriagemaker b.New York https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MZX3-JP3  and mother Eleanor 1855 census, with a daughter Virginia in the household https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K67H-154?cc=1937366  as Bezona in 1860 mother now as Ellen https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MCHK-JTH
Most of these children say father born Italy mother NewYork, although one census says father born Canada & mother Italy?
and a John here as Bezona, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12399-22149-64?cc=1325221 and a William Bezona https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MZZQ-ZPD ( Wm S Bezoni )   and a George https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MCTK-ZZP     and a ?? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MCWF-PG7

[ammma]

JJ   Ellen or Helene is my hubbie's grandmother - definitely Quebec or Lower Canada.  Since PolarBear writes they didn't have a church until 1850's in Ste. Sophie, I have a hunch they may have married in Montreal (Basilica of Notre Dame)  Why?  He was Irish.  Others in their family (and especially Irish immigrants) have been married there; it was a focal point.  Also many names (of the children) have been repeated by their children and their childrens' children.  I have Emailed the Basilica hoping to discover they may have an answer.  Cross my fingers.

[Beth Farrar]

Hi guys,

I'm a direct descendant from Edward and Mary Ann Bazzoni.  I'm trying to figure her out too, but I might have a bit more information for you. 

I was told that they married in New York around 1840.  Mary ann had some trouble with her family because she was marrying an Irishman!  They did indeed move up to Ste-Sophie (which was Lacorne in those days) and had oodles of kids.  I'm trying to find her marriage, which I'm assuming was in New York as I doubt it would have sat well with his family either had he brought home a woman and THEN got married!  But you never know.  They're an interesting bunch. 

I'm not sure she's the Mary Ann from England born in 1815, though do you remember that in any record you find, the ages can be distorted.  I see if in the family names, the childrens names from census to census.  One census year they are English, John, Frank, James, and the next census (taken by a French census taker) they become Jean, Francois, etc.  It's tricky. 

The Careys were one of the founding families up around here (I live about 45 minutes away), and sadly the graveyard does not hold many tombstones of the early ones.  I did get to look through all the church documents back in the spring of 1995 (before they closed their doors to genealogists) and was able to jot down many branches of the Carey tree. 

Many families are intertwined, many may have come from the same area.  What we do know is that the Careys were not paupers, but all had trades, some even becoming politically involved in the town of Ste-Sophie. 

If you do come across any information about Mary Ann, I would love to hear it.  I will keep you posted as well, should I find anything else.

Good hunting,
Beth

[bmuppet]

Hi,

Mary Bazzoni was born in New York in the 1820's and was the daughter of Lewis/Louis Bazzoni and Eleanor. When Eleanor died in New York in 1865 she left a Will with the following details:

Proof of Wills
Eleanor Bazzoni, Deceased
Proved Sept 22nd 1865
18 pages.

The petition of Thomas Beaty is an executor named in the last Will and Testament of Eleanor Bazzoni late of the County of New York, deceased on 8th July 1865...

Your Petitioner further shows that the only heirs, and next of kin, of said deceased are Francis E Bazzoni, Frances C Beaty wife of your petitioner, severally residing in the City of New York. Lewis J Bazzoni residing in Newburgh Orange Co. N.Y. Mary Cary, wife of Edward Cary residing at New Paisley, District of Montreal L.C., Rosalia Fable in Algiers, Africa her only serving children. Charles U Bazzoni residing in the City of New York. Isaac Bazzoni whose place of residence is Boston Massachusetts, the only surviving children of the deceased Son of the deceased.The the said deceased left no husband other children or other descendant of any deceased children here surviving.

Thomas Beaty No 96 East 84th St, N.Y
Lewis J Bazzoni Newburgh N.Y
Mary Cary New Paisley Dist. of Montreal L.C., wife of Edward Cary
Francis E Bazzoni No 157 East 86th Str N.Y
Frances C Beaty No 96 East 84th St N.York wife of Thomas Beaty, wife of the petitioner
Rosalie Fable, Algiers Africa
Charles U Bazzoni 157 East 86th
Isass Bazzoni Boston Mass

Lewis/Louis Bazzoni was born and died in Italy but no further details known (this is mentioned in an article about his son Lewis J Bazzoni) apart from the 1830 New York Census where he is shown having 8 children (4 x sons and 4 x daughters). So far I know of Lewis J (1821), Virginia (1824), Francis E (1828), Mary (married Edward Cary) and Frances C (married Thomas Beaty).

I have just started a Bazzoni One-Name study website (www.bazzoni.co.uk) and any information about Edward, Mary and their descendants would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Jean-Marc Bazzoni