Selina Smith

[Gardener]

And this in the 1841

King St,Duffield

Thomas Hingley,60,labourer,y
Ann ditto,60,y
Thomas ditto,35,frame w knitter,y
Ann ditto,35,y
Joseph ditto,15,labourer,y
Ann Smith,20,y (same household but mark between)

HO107/180/9

[Gardener]

OK, now I'm convinced. Joseph seems to have married the Mary from the 1871 above (Heathr's post).

1851 Town St, Duffield

Joseph Hingley,head,27,Stone Cutter,Derby,Duffield
Mary Hingley,wife,30,Devon,Tarrington
Mary Ann Hingley,dau,3,Derby,Duffield
George Thomas Hingley,son,1,Derby, Duffield

HO107-2144/132

[Heather D]

Nice finds Gardener

And just to back up that 1871 with Tom and Harriet Smith as step children ..

Likely marriage at Nottingham St Saviour 23 Nov 1870, John Shaw and Ann Smith

Burial Thomas Smith age 50 at Sneinton 07/03/1866, abode Henry Street

Heather

[Burto]

Sorry for appearing thick but can you explain where my ancestors come into this? I'm confused!
Also why hasn't Selina appeared in the 1861 family? She'd only be 9 so she should be on there?
So Joseph Hingley was Selina's uncle and she lodged with her aunt in 1871?
Also Enoch and Alice aren't mentioned on that baptism record?
Thanks.

[Heather D]

Hi Burto,

you already told us yourself that Selina was with grandmother Ann Hingley in 1861 ...or that's how I read it 

I suppose we're lucky they baptised any of their children! By the time they got round to it 1868/9, I'm guessing a fair few of the children had already flown the nest

[Burto]

Yes I know, that's what I mean, why would Selina go and live with her Grandmother when the other kids were still at home? And why would Sarah Ann get baptised but not Alice?
So Ann Smith remarried in 1871 to a Shaw and Selina lived with her uncle..is that right?! Have I got it?! I'm having trouble keeping up...seems like they were all over the place! It's like an episode of Eastenders!
So Selina's mother, Ann's father was Thomas Hingley born in Duffield and her father Thomas Smith was born in Bilston Staffs? Phew! Wonder where the trip to Wales came from?!
Thanks for all your help. Any reason why they travelled around so much? All my other ancestors seem to have stayed in one place for a few generations?

[Heather D]

I know ...this family don't seem to know the rules, do they? 

Other people are miles better at the social history stuff than me, but it was a time of expansion for the railways and Thomas may simply have been following the work before finally settling in Notts. I did wonder at first if they had traveller connections (as Smith is a common traveller name), but no hard evidence of that showing.

We don't know for sure that Selina did live with her grandmother. It was a snapshot of census night and she could just have been visiting. Or maybe grandma, getting on in years, needed a extra pair of hands. Families had to look after each other in those days.

As for why Alice didn't get baptised 1868/9, she appears to have been already married.

Marriage 28/01/1868 Nottingham All Saints, Thomas Smith Smallwood and Alice Delilah Smith. And yes I know her second name was given as Adelaide in one census, but in later censuses Alice Smallwood is born Glamorgan at the right time to be yours.

All conjecture of course 

[Burto]

Can I be a pain (just to put my mind at rest) and ask if someone would mind checking that the Selina in 1861 was actually born in Mansfield? The one I found was staying with Ann Hingley Grandmother, but I found it ages ago on Ancestry and didn't make a copy.
If anyone could help I would be most grateful....I just want to check I definately have the right person before going round saying I now have Staffordshire roots care of her father!

[Gardener]

No probs. I did start by checking the 1861 anyhow.

1861
King St,Duffield
Ann Hingley,head,wid,83,Derby, Little Eaton
Selena Smith,gdau,8,Notts,Mansfield
Thomas Sherwin,lodger,u,25,lab,Derby,Duffield

RG9-2507/43

1851
King St,Duffield

Ann Hingley,head,w,74,pauper formerly servant,Derby,Little Eaton

(She is 4 households away from Thomas and Ann Smith)

HO107-2144/141



Selina Smith bpt 27 Sept 1840 Duffield, parents Thomas and Ann Smith
(presume she died, there is  a death reg at Belper Dec qtr 1840)
Alice Smith bpt 23 Aug 1847 Duffield, parents Thomas and Ann Smith
Enock Smith bpt 23 Aug 1847 Duffield, parents Thomas and Ann Smith
(from IGI)

Can't tell if that Alice is the same one as in the census. John Thomas seems to have slipped the net