LMA Coroner's Warrant report lookup Edward Thomas Oct 1856, Poplar, London

[lmktacwa]

First: I read the LMA posting rules, and I have no idea what the bottom line is on that post.  Can we or can we not request someone to view a physical record in LMA?  The online records do not have the records.. just the film numbers/reference numbers/index references which are useless to me here in the USA.

So, if this request is verboten, then I apologize in advance.

My ancestor, Edward Thomas, b. 10 Feb 1838 (Gravesend, Kent) d. Oct 1856 (Poplar, London), buried 1 Nov 1838, (Gravesend), has death record from church burial showing "coroner's warrant".   He died in "Poplar, London" per the BMD index so the best I could do is assume this is where his inquest record would be in LMA:

 Register of inquests held by coroner for Western District, Middlesex  COR/A/1  1856-1860, 1 Jan - 1 Oct   Contents: Number, name, age (added in pencil), parish, place where inquest held, cause of death and verdict, date, no., of miles travelled by coroner, amount of fees and allowances
Coroner: Thomas Wakley, esq.

I don't know if it costs to go to LMA.  If so, I guess I'll wait til 2016 when I make the trek from the western US myself. But if it is no cost to look someone up, and if someone out there happens to be going to the LMA anyways... I would appreciate all info related to Edward's death as logged by the coroner's warrant.

Note: there are a total of 9 "Edward Thomas"'s listed in the BMD for this timeframe, but since I know his family lived in the poplar district, I made a big leap and assumed this was my ancestor.  The age would need to be roughly 18 or 19.

Thank you in advance,
and sorry if I'm out of bounds on my LMA request.
Kindest  Regards,
Lisa

[rosie99]

It might be worth emailing the LMA to check whether Poplar reg district would come under Western District, Middlesex.

Poplar RD covers Bow, Bromley, Poplar, Tower Hamlets which are more to the East side of Middlesex than the west.

I don't think there is any problem on here asking for LMA lookups except that there are not many rootschatters that visit the London archives. 

This may help 
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ydv/

[lmktacwa]

It might be worth emailing the LMA to check whether Poplar reg district would come under Western District, Middlesex.

Poplar RD covers Bow, Bromley, Poplar, Tower Hamlets which are more to the East side of Middlesex than the west.

I don't think there is any problem on here asking for LMA lookups except that there are not many rootschatters that visit the London archives. 

This may help 
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ydv/

Hello!  Thank you...  my research shows that the records would definitely be here:

Western District, Middlesex  COR/A/1  1856-1860, 1 Jan - 1 Oct 

Thanks for the clarification on the LMA lookup request.

Also, thanks for the cityoflondon.gov.uk reference... I thought I'd scoured the interwebs high and low for online records, but your reference points to one I had not seen before:  "London Lives 1690 to 1800".  While this won't have Edward's info, it may prove useful for some other searches I need to do. Thank you!

Love your dog, btw.  I have three pugs. Always like to meet a dog lover.

Cheers!

[avm228]

Poplar was certainly in the Eastern rather than the Western district of Middlesex for the purposes of coronership jurisdiction.

Unfortunately the LMA's listing of holdings for the Eastern district suggests they don't have anything after 1838: see http://tinyurl.com/qa8xjvz at page 8.

The death certificate would record the established cause of death.

[lmktacwa]

Poplar was certainly in the Eastern rather than the Western district of Middlesex for the purposes of coronership jurisdiction.

Unfortunately the LMA's listing of holdings for the Eastern district suggests they don't have anything after 1838: see http://tinyurl.com/qa8xjvz at page 8.

The death certificate would record the established cause of death.

It has been a few months since I dug up that reference to LMA's coroner info in Western Middlesex... I'll have to back track to see how it was I came up with that particular reference.  Thanks for the pointers!

As for death cert... I need to look at the coroners report first, to validate this is MY Edward Thomas before I order it, as its about $50.00 (US) to order one, and I don't want to order one and have it turn out not to be my relative.  

I will do some more digging and come back here later in the week once I've validated for certain, where the coroner's warrant for Poplar in 1856 resides. 

Thank you,
~Lisa

[avm228]

You should not be paying anyone $50 for an English death certificate 

They can be ordered online, direct from the GRO, for £9.25 including postage to anywhere in the world.

www.gro.gov.uk/GRO/content/certificates/default.asp

So the equivalent of about $15 rather than $50.

[lmktacwa]

You should not be paying anyone $50 for an English death certificate 

They can be ordered online, direct from the GRO, for £9.25 including postage to anywhere in the world.

www.gro.gov.uk/GRO/content/certificates/default.asp

So the equivalent of about $15 rather than $50.

wow... guess I won't be ordering through ancestry anymore!!!  THANK you again for the tip!  I wish I had found this place years ago!    I have purchased 3 via ancestry and now feel like a dummy!

At any rate, still want to make sure its my Edward before purchasing...   
~L

[avm228]

Regarding the Western/Eastern Middlesex issue, have a look at this map of the former county of Middlesex.

You will find Poplar at the far south-east - at the final bend in the river before it flows into Essex

www.londonancestor.com/maps/middx.htm

Unfortunately, from what I can see online, there's no evidence that relevant coroners' records from Eastern Middlesex have survived for the period you are looking for.

[avm228]

I have purchased 3 via ancestry and now feel like a dummy!

Not a dummy at all - you are not the first and certainly won't be the last